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Non-criminals would 'target' you for helping stop the criminals? What kind of bizarro place is that?

gruez 5y ago
or maybe he's talking about non gang criminals?
madcow2 5y ago
Places where kids sell crack to their parents because the alternative is the parents going to some unrelated crack dealer that will treat them much worse. And this is in the US. PS- feel free to replace "crack" with meth, heroine, etc
- Cthulhu_ 5y ago
  insulin
  - Filligree 5y ago
    Illegal smuggling of low-cost insulin is becoming a big issue, yes. Hopefully there's a crack-down on the way. /s
that_guy_iain 5y ago
No, not all the criminals are in the gangs. Nearly everyone in the neighbourhood was a criminal of some sort. Everyone else just kept their mouth shut.
- throwaway0a5e 5y ago
  "Everyone else" was probably a criminal too of some sort. They just hadn't received enough police scrutiny to make it official. It's basically impossible to follow all the laws (even ignoring the civil infraction stuff) all the time and live a reasonable life.
  - OJFord 5y ago
    Especially if you live in a country with the word 'jaywalking'...
    - MaxBarraclough 5y ago
      ̶I̶ ̶d̶o̶n̶'̶t̶ ̶t̶h̶i̶n̶k̶ ̶j̶a̶y̶w̶a̶l̶k̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶i̶s̶ ̶c̶o̶n̶s̶i̶d̶e̶r̶e̶d̶ ̶a̶ ̶c̶r̶i̶m̶i̶n̶a̶l̶ ̶o̶f̶f̶e̶n̶c̶e̶ ̶i̶n̶ ̶a̶n̶y̶ ̶c̶o̶u̶n̶t̶r̶y̶.̶ edit: This is mistaken.
      - OJFord 5y ago
        Then what is it, in any country that has the word? (Here we call it 'crossing the road'.)
        throwaway0a5e 5y ago
        A civil infraction (or some other word for the same thing). Like walking your dog in a park that has a no-dogs sign.
        OJFord 5y ago
        That would be a local bye-law, which is neither criminal nor civil but could become criminal.
      - duckfang 5y ago
        https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/jaywalking-arrest-black-teens-oklahoma-review-71179261 https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/jaywalking-arrest-black-... https://www.wxyz.com/news/local-news/investigations/stopped-for-jaywalking-a-detroit-man-spent-3-days-in-jail-he-was-charged-with-nothing https://www.wxyz.com/news/local-news/investigations/stopped-... https://www.aclu.org/blog/criminal-law-reform/reforming-police/beaten-tased-and-arrested-jaywalking-while-black https://www.aclu.org/blog/criminal-law-reform/reforming-poli... https://www.redmond-reporter.com/news/redmond-police-arrest-man-on-skateboard-after-jaywalking-failing-to-stop/ https://www.redmond-reporter.com/news/redmond-police-arrest-...
bryanrasmussen 5y ago
well, let's suppose your Ring catches someone loitering in your neighborhood that looks like the 'wrong sort' and the police come out to check on the 'wrong sort' and they just happen to kill them - and then to explain why they had to kill the wrong sort of people they say they found some drugs on them... What kind of bizarro place is that?
- merpnderp 5y ago
  If you think not having the police around is better than having the police around, I hope you never have to raise children in a place like the parent was describing.
  - idiotsecant 5y ago
    Spoken from a true position of privilege! There are many communities where the police and the criminals are both likely to cause you trouble somewhere between a mild hassle and a life-altering interaction. The only difference is why they might do it. Distrust of the police amount law-abiding populations is a thing for a reason.
  - setr 5y ago
    In the places that the parent is describing, the police aren't your allies. The more dangerous the area, the more aggressive and hostile the police (at least to some degree by necessity), and the stronger the "presumed guilty" takes hold, and the more hostile the population itself is to the police. In the worst of those areas, the gangs themselves take on the role of the police (offering services such as protection, policy enforcement, loans, etc).
sneak 5y ago
Surveillance has other effects than helping to impede criminals (note also that this effect is dependent wholly on police initiative and competence, as well, two things often lacking in minor crime investigations). Not everyone wants to be under surveillance 24/7, even if it does aid police sometimes in reducing crime, as it also aids police in doing the other things police do that are unrelated to law enforcement (harassment, theft, intimidation, extortion, et c).
- annoyingnoob 5y ago
  There are streets in my neighborhood I don't walk down because almost everyone has a Ring camera. I don't want to be followed around by Ring when I walk the dog.

or maybe he's talking about non gang criminals?

Places where kids sell crack to their parents because the alternative is the parents going to some unrelated crack dealer that will treat them much worse. And this is in the US. PS- feel free to replace "crack" with meth, heroine, etc

Cthulhu_ 5y ago
insulin
- Filligree 5y ago
  Illegal smuggling of low-cost insulin is becoming a big issue, yes. Hopefully there's a crack-down on the way. /s

that_guy_iain 5y ago

No, not all the criminals are in the gangs. Nearly everyone in the neighbourhood was a criminal of some sort. Everyone else just kept their mouth shut.

throwaway0a5e 5y ago
"Everyone else" was probably a criminal too of some sort. They just hadn't received enough police scrutiny to make it official. It's basically impossible to follow all the laws (even ignoring the civil infraction stuff) all the time and live a reasonable life.
- OJFord 5y ago
  Especially if you live in a country with the word 'jaywalking'...
  - MaxBarraclough 5y ago
    ̶I̶ ̶d̶o̶n̶'̶t̶ ̶t̶h̶i̶n̶k̶ ̶j̶a̶y̶w̶a̶l̶k̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶i̶s̶ ̶c̶o̶n̶s̶i̶d̶e̶r̶e̶d̶ ̶a̶ ̶c̶r̶i̶m̶i̶n̶a̶l̶ ̶o̶f̶f̶e̶n̶c̶e̶ ̶i̶n̶ ̶a̶n̶y̶ ̶c̶o̶u̶n̶t̶r̶y̶.̶ edit: This is mistaken.
    - OJFord 5y ago
      Then what is it, in any country that has the word? (Here we call it 'crossing the road'.)
      - throwaway0a5e 5y ago
        A civil infraction (or some other word for the same thing). Like walking your dog in a park that has a no-dogs sign.
        OJFord 5y ago
        That would be a local bye-law, which is neither criminal nor civil but could become criminal.
    - duckfang 5y ago
      https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/jaywalking-arrest-black-teens-oklahoma-review-71179261 https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/jaywalking-arrest-black-... https://www.wxyz.com/news/local-news/investigations/stopped-for-jaywalking-a-detroit-man-spent-3-days-in-jail-he-was-charged-with-nothing https://www.wxyz.com/news/local-news/investigations/stopped-... https://www.aclu.org/blog/criminal-law-reform/reforming-police/beaten-tased-and-arrested-jaywalking-while-black https://www.aclu.org/blog/criminal-law-reform/reforming-poli... https://www.redmond-reporter.com/news/redmond-police-arrest-man-on-skateboard-after-jaywalking-failing-to-stop/ https://www.redmond-reporter.com/news/redmond-police-arrest-...

bryanrasmussen 5y ago

well, let's suppose your Ring catches someone loitering in your neighborhood that looks like the 'wrong sort' and the police come out to check on the 'wrong sort' and they just happen to kill them - and then to explain why they had to kill the wrong sort of people they say they found some drugs on them... What kind of bizarro place is that?

merpnderp 5y ago
If you think not having the police around is better than having the police around, I hope you never have to raise children in a place like the parent was describing.
- idiotsecant 5y ago
  Spoken from a true position of privilege! There are many communities where the police and the criminals are both likely to cause you trouble somewhere between a mild hassle and a life-altering interaction. The only difference is why they might do it. Distrust of the police amount law-abiding populations is a thing for a reason.
- setr 5y ago
  In the places that the parent is describing, the police aren't your allies. The more dangerous the area, the more aggressive and hostile the police (at least to some degree by necessity), and the stronger the "presumed guilty" takes hold, and the more hostile the population itself is to the police. In the worst of those areas, the gangs themselves take on the role of the police (offering services such as protection, policy enforcement, loans, etc).

sneak 5y ago

Surveillance has other effects than helping to impede criminals (note also that this effect is dependent wholly on police initiative and competence, as well, two things often lacking in minor crime investigations). Not everyone wants to be under surveillance 24/7, even if it does aid police sometimes in reducing crime, as it also aids police in doing the other things police do that are unrelated to law enforcement (harassment, theft, intimidation, extortion, et c).

annoyingnoob 5y ago
There are streets in my neighborhood I don't walk down because almost everyone has a Ring camera. I don't want to be followed around by Ring when I walk the dog.