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Right. I agree it’s better to take actions than words. So let’s take one. > Refused to support the Equality Act Let me find an article which opposes the Equal

Right. I agree it’s better to take actions than words. So let’s take one. > Refused to support the Equality Act Let me find an article which opposes the Equality Act and some reasons why: https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/the-equality-act-is-a-time-bomb/amp/ https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/the-equality-act-is-a-... In it it says: > Under the guise of anti-discrimination protections, the bill redefines sex to include gender identity, undermines religious freedom, gives males who identify as females the right to women’s spaces, and sets a dangerous political precedent for the medicalization of gender-confused youth Is it plausible that someone might not support the Equality Act for these reasons, or do you sincerely believe anyone who opposes this particular legislation is phobic to homosexuals? Afraid of gay people? Thinks gays are lesser humans? We can talk about the other items on the list too if you want. I just wanted to do one as I suspect they’re all similar.

IgorPartola 5y ago
Wow. The “I’m not homophobic I just don’t like trans people or gay people” argument. In case you don’t know, what that article says is complete nonsense. Please find better sources.
- Moodles 5y ago
  Oh, ok. I don't think I said anything about "not liking gay people" but you've obviously read between the lines. Good for you.
  - IgorPartola 5y ago
    I have no idea what your stance is but the quote your provided is ignorant to the point that I wouldn’t know where to begin discussing it. Moreover, it’s ignorance comes with homophobic undertones. So in the sense that if you buy it at face value then yes you might think that the bill in question is bad. But if you learn even the basics on the subject, then you will realize that this quote and the whole article are homophobic and transphobic FUD. If your argument here is that Trump read (haha!) articles like these and then believed them at face value and it’s all the media’s fault for putting incorrect information in front of him… that’s 100% his fault and responsibility. He had access to top experts and advisors in every field, he could have figured it out. If your argument is based on the idea that there is some conspiracy to overmedicate “gender confused youths” then I don’t know what to tell you because your understanding of the subject is at the level of Borat’s (comically poor).
    - Moodles 5y ago
      Oh, ok. This was a productive discussion wasn't it? :)
      - IgorPartola 5y ago
        I do find it supremely frustrating to have these discussions because it seems like most times people on the other side of the argument simply question reality. It's like having an engineering discussion where you allow for 1+1 to equal 3 or more in some cases, and every time you have to add 1 and 1 you have to provide proof from a conservative website that shows that it does in fact equal 2 or else the other person just cries "fake news" and "what about..." or "mainstream media". It's almost like a targeted misinformation and propaganda campaign convinced half the US that facts aren't facts and that you can question anything for which there is a lot of evidence because, well, isn't it suspicious that there is so much evidence for it? "The truth is out there, you just have to find it" is my favorite: yes the FBI/NSA/CIA are clueless but anyone with a Facebook account can figure out some kind of grand conspiracy that's afoot...
        Moodles 5y ago
        From my perspective, you didn't address what I said at all and just got extremely emotional very quickly. I venture a guess that you sometimes find these conversations frustrating because it is you who isn't listening.
        IgorPartola 5y ago
        The article you posted and quoted amounted to 1+1=3. How do you expect to have a conversation about it?
        Moodles 5y ago
        Oh, ok. I thought I raised some points that were at least plausible (e.g. transgender women in women's spaces) and then you start ranting about conspiracy theories, mathematics, the president not being able to read, not liking gay people and so on. Where did you see this conversation going? It was just so obviously doomed to fail with your attitude. I hope it felt good to take out some frustrations and now you feel better? But I doubt it. Just some friendly advice man. You goal should be to treat me with respect and try to convince me of your point of view, or at least mutually learn. When you respond like you did, using shame and outrage as an argument tactic, it doesn't work. I just think you're emotional, a bit of a dick and not willing to really engage in a genuine discussion so I just tune out. If anything, it'll just solidify what I think even more because it shows to me you don't have a proper retort.

IgorPartola 5y ago

Wow. The “I’m not homophobic I just don’t like trans people or gay people” argument. In case you don’t know, what that article says is complete nonsense. Please find better sources.

Moodles 5y ago
Oh, ok. I don't think I said anything about "not liking gay people" but you've obviously read between the lines. Good for you.
- IgorPartola 5y ago
  I have no idea what your stance is but the quote your provided is ignorant to the point that I wouldn’t know where to begin discussing it. Moreover, it’s ignorance comes with homophobic undertones. So in the sense that if you buy it at face value then yes you might think that the bill in question is bad. But if you learn even the basics on the subject, then you will realize that this quote and the whole article are homophobic and transphobic FUD. If your argument here is that Trump read (haha!) articles like these and then believed them at face value and it’s all the media’s fault for putting incorrect information in front of him… that’s 100% his fault and responsibility. He had access to top experts and advisors in every field, he could have figured it out. If your argument is based on the idea that there is some conspiracy to overmedicate “gender confused youths” then I don’t know what to tell you because your understanding of the subject is at the level of Borat’s (comically poor).
  - Moodles 5y ago
    Oh, ok. This was a productive discussion wasn't it? :)
    - IgorPartola 5y ago
      I do find it supremely frustrating to have these discussions because it seems like most times people on the other side of the argument simply question reality. It's like having an engineering discussion where you allow for 1+1 to equal 3 or more in some cases, and every time you have to add 1 and 1 you have to provide proof from a conservative website that shows that it does in fact equal 2 or else the other person just cries "fake news" and "what about..." or "mainstream media". It's almost like a targeted misinformation and propaganda campaign convinced half the US that facts aren't facts and that you can question anything for which there is a lot of evidence because, well, isn't it suspicious that there is so much evidence for it? "The truth is out there, you just have to find it" is my favorite: yes the FBI/NSA/CIA are clueless but anyone with a Facebook account can figure out some kind of grand conspiracy that's afoot...
      - Moodles 5y ago
        From my perspective, you didn't address what I said at all and just got extremely emotional very quickly. I venture a guess that you sometimes find these conversations frustrating because it is you who isn't listening.
        IgorPartola 5y ago
        The article you posted and quoted amounted to 1+1=3. How do you expect to have a conversation about it?
        Moodles 5y ago
        Oh, ok. I thought I raised some points that were at least plausible (e.g. transgender women in women's spaces) and then you start ranting about conspiracy theories, mathematics, the president not being able to read, not liking gay people and so on. Where did you see this conversation going? It was just so obviously doomed to fail with your attitude. I hope it felt good to take out some frustrations and now you feel better? But I doubt it. Just some friendly advice man. You goal should be to treat me with respect and try to convince me of your point of view, or at least mutually learn. When you respond like you did, using shame and outrage as an argument tactic, it doesn't work. I just think you're emotional, a bit of a dick and not willing to really engage in a genuine discussion so I just tune out. If anything, it'll just solidify what I think even more because it shows to me you don't have a proper retort.