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Wow. If that's the case maybe one should start giving more credit to Chinese companies when it comes to fundamental innovations. Looks like display tech and bat

Wow. If that's the case maybe one should start giving more credit to Chinese companies when it comes to fundamental innovations. Looks like display tech and batteries might be the first areas where they are going to be at the forefront.

Bayart 5y ago
On both counts you should give credit to the Koreans more than the Chinese.
- anaganisk 5y ago
  So are we supposed to thank the the Turkish for bringing out Pfizer vaccine?
  - bellyfullofbac 5y ago
    Yay, nationality-based pissing contest... Out of curiousity, this is the earliest research I can find about graphene in Li-Ion batteries: https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/nl800957b https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/nl800957b The researcher names are Korean, Chinese and Japanese, and in the "Supporting Information" window they were affiliated with 2 research institutes in Japan.
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    - m_mueller 5y ago
      It’s actually an interesting parallel to how high tech hardware worked 30-40 years ago. Back then you often had fundamental research coming out of the US and brought to market from Japan, as their manufacturing base somehow allowed for more efficient productization. Looks like it has shifted to Japan now being still strong in research, but the manufacturing base is now strongest in China. One thing that I think is so remarkable about Elon’s ventures is him showing that there’s nothing stopping you still to build mass manufacturing efficiently in the West.
      - squarefoot 5y ago
        I wouldn't consider Tesla cars as mass manufactured, and that's a good thing because it's what keeps them ahead of the competition. Prices aside, I think they couldn't even sustain the production numbers required to sell cars to everyone, which is something the competition can easily do. As much as I would like to be able to buy a Tesla, they better not enter that minefield that is mass production.
    - anaganisk 5y ago
      No its not, I was trying to make a point, you could read the reply I gave on an another comment. Im not even related in any way to China.
  - Bayart 5y ago
    What does this have to do with anything ? As far as I know, the state of art for manufacturing on both techs happens in Korea, that's it.
    - anaganisk 5y ago
      I was trying to say, yes Koreans might be where this was created. But bringing out the product with an application is the context of this. Nobody said Xiaomi invented it. They bought out the tech with batteries, properly applied. They're not like just putting the battery inside a phone. It needs a lot of calibration and also hardware/ software improvements on phone to support it. Why would you thank Koreans for that? Its same as saying we need to thank Turks because Turkish immigrants sequenced the vaccine, sold by Pfizer.
ksec 5y ago
I dont actually know the details for Xiaomi. But there were at least ONE Graphene based Battery tech developed in US and licensed for commercialisation with LG. And consumer could buy that as portable Battery since 2020. And AFAIK all Graphene Based Battery are from licensed from the same company. Unfortunately Google only give me crappy results I can get you a link for reference.
jimmygrapes 5y ago
It would take as many years to confirm the claims, during which time it wouldn't matter if they are correct as long as it wasn't extremely wrong. Also during that time they rake in the investments via product buys or other funding, allowing (potentially) for further (or initial) innovation. It's a risky game but in a consumer world it's a good play.

Bayart 5y ago

On both counts you should give credit to the Koreans more than the Chinese.

anaganisk 5y ago
So are we supposed to thank the the Turkish for bringing out Pfizer vaccine?
- bellyfullofbac 5y ago
  Yay, nationality-based pissing contest... Out of curiousity, this is the earliest research I can find about graphene in Li-Ion batteries: https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/nl800957b https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/nl800957b The researcher names are Korean, Chinese and Japanese, and in the "Supporting Information" window they were affiliated with 2 research institutes in Japan.
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  - m_mueller 5y ago
    It’s actually an interesting parallel to how high tech hardware worked 30-40 years ago. Back then you often had fundamental research coming out of the US and brought to market from Japan, as their manufacturing base somehow allowed for more efficient productization. Looks like it has shifted to Japan now being still strong in research, but the manufacturing base is now strongest in China. One thing that I think is so remarkable about Elon’s ventures is him showing that there’s nothing stopping you still to build mass manufacturing efficiently in the West.
    - squarefoot 5y ago
      I wouldn't consider Tesla cars as mass manufactured, and that's a good thing because it's what keeps them ahead of the competition. Prices aside, I think they couldn't even sustain the production numbers required to sell cars to everyone, which is something the competition can easily do. As much as I would like to be able to buy a Tesla, they better not enter that minefield that is mass production.
  - anaganisk 5y ago
    No its not, I was trying to make a point, you could read the reply I gave on an another comment. Im not even related in any way to China.
- Bayart 5y ago
  What does this have to do with anything ? As far as I know, the state of art for manufacturing on both techs happens in Korea, that's it.
  - anaganisk 5y ago
    I was trying to say, yes Koreans might be where this was created. But bringing out the product with an application is the context of this. Nobody said Xiaomi invented it. They bought out the tech with batteries, properly applied. They're not like just putting the battery inside a phone. It needs a lot of calibration and also hardware/ software improvements on phone to support it. Why would you thank Koreans for that? Its same as saying we need to thank Turks because Turkish immigrants sequenced the vaccine, sold by Pfizer.

ksec 5y ago

I dont actually know the details for Xiaomi. But there were at least ONE Graphene based Battery tech developed in US and licensed for commercialisation with LG. And consumer could buy that as portable Battery since 2020. And AFAIK all Graphene Based Battery are from licensed from the same company. Unfortunately Google only give me crappy results I can get you a link for reference.

jimmygrapes 5y ago

It would take as many years to confirm the claims, during which time it wouldn't matter if they are correct as long as it wasn't extremely wrong. Also during that time they rake in the investments via product buys or other funding, allowing (potentially) for further (or initial) innovation. It's a risky game but in a consumer world it's a good play.