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phones quickly become outdated before batteries die.

unicornporn 5y ago
Not necessarily. Smartphones have reached a level of performance and maturity that I could easily use one for 7 years if it wasn't for the planned obsolescence. But, somehow security updates stop arriving (even for Lineage). My next handset will be a Fairphone. At least they seem to be doing what they can to keep their devices running [1]. Apple is doing better. My SO has had their iPhone SE for 5 years now and updates keep coming. [1] https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/03/the-fairphone-2-hits-five-years-of-updates-with-some-help-from-lineageos/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/03/the-fairphone-2-hits...
rkagerer 5y ago
I keep mine for 5 years on average, and pay a little more for a model that will work reliably with an open-source ROM in case the manufacturer ceases support (or when I've had enough of their bloat).
gallexme 5y ago
As a idiot Huawei customer(I really can't describe that differently) I agree, but it's not the hardware which gets outdated, just the software which gets locked away. I really wish phones had to be bootloader unlocked as legal requirement in EU(even better with hardware/driver reference/blobs/sources) .
- mhitza 5y ago
  Feel your pain. Got a Huawei phone mid 2018, without knowing that a few months before they removed the option of unlocking the bootloader (I was under the impression before, that all Android phones could be unlocked). Granted, this was just a quick replacement phone when my previous phone just decided randomly to die one day. At least at the moment it seems that Huawei is an outlier, no such issue with Xiaomi phones.
- MaxBarraclough 5y ago
  Is there a brand you'd recommend instead?
  - squarefoot 5y ago
    Pinephone, Librem 5, Fairphone. The first two aim at being secure and trustworthy, at the price of losing Android, which is not a big issue for many users. The latter aims at sustainability, has removable battery and is modular, expandable and repairable, but runs Android with all its drawbacks. There are options however to purchase it (along with other "normal" models) with /e/OS preinstalled which is a De-Googled Open Source version of Android. https://www.pine64.org/pinephone/ https://www.pine64.org/pinephone/ https://puri.sm/products/librem-5/ https://puri.sm/products/librem-5/ https://www.fairphone.com/en/ https://www.fairphone.com/en/ https://esolutions.shop/ https://esolutions.shop/ edit: Both PinePhone and Librem 5 also have a replaceable battery and can be repaired to some extent. There are also spare PinePhone mainboards and other spare parts for sale at Pine64 site. https://pine64.com/product-category/smartphone-spare-parts/?v=0446c16e2e66 https://pine64.com/product-category/smartphone-spare-parts/?...
  - gallexme 5y ago
    Haven't had these issues with the one plus 3t, so one plus it is for me

Not necessarily. Smartphones have reached a level of performance and maturity that I could easily use one for 7 years if it wasn't for the planned obsolescence. But, somehow security updates stop arriving (even for Lineage). My next handset will be a Fairphone. At least they seem to be doing what they can to keep their devices running [1]. Apple is doing better. My SO has had their iPhone SE for 5 years now and updates keep coming. [1] https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/03/the-fairphone-2-hits-five-years-of-updates-with-some-help-from-lineageos/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/03/the-fairphone-2-hits...

rkagerer 5y ago

I keep mine for 5 years on average, and pay a little more for a model that will work reliably with an open-source ROM in case the manufacturer ceases support (or when I've had enough of their bloat).

gallexme 5y ago

As a idiot Huawei customer(I really can't describe that differently) I agree, but it's not the hardware which gets outdated, just the software which gets locked away. I really wish phones had to be bootloader unlocked as legal requirement in EU(even better with hardware/driver reference/blobs/sources) .

mhitza 5y ago
Feel your pain. Got a Huawei phone mid 2018, without knowing that a few months before they removed the option of unlocking the bootloader (I was under the impression before, that all Android phones could be unlocked). Granted, this was just a quick replacement phone when my previous phone just decided randomly to die one day. At least at the moment it seems that Huawei is an outlier, no such issue with Xiaomi phones.
MaxBarraclough 5y ago
Is there a brand you'd recommend instead?
- squarefoot 5y ago
  Pinephone, Librem 5, Fairphone. The first two aim at being secure and trustworthy, at the price of losing Android, which is not a big issue for many users. The latter aims at sustainability, has removable battery and is modular, expandable and repairable, but runs Android with all its drawbacks. There are options however to purchase it (along with other "normal" models) with /e/OS preinstalled which is a De-Googled Open Source version of Android. https://www.pine64.org/pinephone/ https://www.pine64.org/pinephone/ https://puri.sm/products/librem-5/ https://puri.sm/products/librem-5/ https://www.fairphone.com/en/ https://www.fairphone.com/en/ https://esolutions.shop/ https://esolutions.shop/ edit: Both PinePhone and Librem 5 also have a replaceable battery and can be repaired to some extent. There are also spare PinePhone mainboards and other spare parts for sale at Pine64 site. https://pine64.com/product-category/smartphone-spare-parts/?v=0446c16e2e66 https://pine64.com/product-category/smartphone-spare-parts/?...
- gallexme 5y ago
  Haven't had these issues with the one plus 3t, so one plus it is for me