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Nice review. In a sense I find this something akin to the late David Graeber point on it’s column about bulling. How you can find data pointing towards the huma
by licebmi__at__ 5y ago
Nice review. In a sense I find this something akin to the late David Graeber point on it’s column about bulling. How you can find data pointing towards the human society propensity for violence, and also data of human society propensity for cooperation and refusal to engage on violence even when confronted with losing their way of living, although he also raises the point when historically there has been more propensity to consider only the violent ugly aspect, as you can almost certainly find it on people who appeal to “human nature”.
- watwut 5y agoIt is not what is human. It is also, how you raise those kids. Ars you raising them in bully house boarding school full of abuse? You get different results then if you raise them with different values.
- dalbasal 5y agoIDK if its a modern bias or a recurring one, but people are very drawn to the idea of a core human "nature:" what we are when all the surface level stuff is stripped away. The way the conversations I've had tend to go is ever more contrived scenarios. Eventually it gets to spaceships carrying sperm and eggs to be raised cultureless by robots. You need to avoid scenarios like these, where the boys know about raising chickens, praying and stuff. lol As if a parentless, cultureless person is more human than the rest of us... more indicative of "true" human nature. Once we set to answering a question, it seems very hard to question the question.
- thedmstdmstdmst 5y agoYes of course, the natural course of development of humans is to do away with all other humans. Then you can be fully human.
- MomoXenosaga 5y agoThere is an idea that after the bombs fall we all turn into raping and pillaging marauders. I have no idea why people find this idea comforting. In reality villages will be built, laws written and religions made up.
- dr_dshiv 5y agoThese villages better build defenses against the marauders or all is for naught. And of course, the best defense is a good offense. And... Fast forward to the presently peaceful times of mutually assured destruction!
- bluGill 5y agoThat is a point of a village as opposed to living in separate farmsteads. (there are other points to villages, but putting a group of people together is an automatic form of defense)
- dalbasal 5y agoHistorically, this doesn't seem to be true. Villages appear long before defensive fortifications in the record, in many cases. Pure reason is not very good at forming predictive theories about history, as a general rule. There are many possible reasons for villages, and cultural reasons are a very big determinant of how people live. So are economic reasons. Many of us live in big cities now, and it's generally less safe.
- dmoy 5y agoYou get villages because foraging really sucks. It's an ease-of-survival thing around food production.
- bluGill 5y agoForaging is done from villages as well. They tend to not have tents/houses, just a community fire that moves when the tribe moves. Still a village. Foraging sucks less than subsistence farming. However farmers are able to put a lot more people into given land area and so farming villages won out.
- bluGill 5y agoJust having a number of people living together is protection even before fortification. Your point is well taken though.
- gsich 5y ago>Eventually it gets to spaceships carrying sperm and eggs to be raised cultureless by robots. I recommend "Raised by Wolves".
- jborichevskiy 5y agoAwesome show; looking forward to the next season. Explores parenting, "religion" vs "science", desolation, and growing up.
- Dudeman112 5y ago>core human "nature:" what we are when all the surface level stuff is stripped away. That always seemed out of whack for me. If you change the environment, the individual changes too. That's just a different individual, calling it more "true" or "pure" seems like asking "how much is 1 + apple?" (where Apple is an actual apple, not a variable). The whole premise is fundamentally wrong. How I am right now is not false nor unnatural.
- dalbasal 5y ago>> How (is it) not false nor unnatural. Exactly. There have never been culturaless, parentless people. If there were/are, then that is simply a terrible circumstance and terrible results will probably occur.
- necovek 5y agoPeople are quick to discount the value of education (or upbringing) from the early age. Humans have started developing quickly with the development of language and especially writing. Take that away, and we are looking at another dozens of thousands of years of getting back to it, if at all. The best evidence to me is how those "lost in woods, found years later" kids have developed: mostly mimicking other animals (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feral_child https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feral_child). It's even hard to change that later on.