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> Their cloud storage is down That's why I never trust "non-cloud" companies with cloud storage, because you never know if they suddenly don't want to do it an

> Their cloud storage is down That's why I never trust "non-cloud" companies with cloud storage, because you never know if they suddenly don't want to do it anymore, or in this case get hacked because of incompetencies.

bouncycastle 5y ago
Funny, because I always think of Amazon is as a "non-cloud" company, especially when most think of it as a place to shop. Of course, I know it's not. Seriously though, fujifilm is a conglomerate and known for their pivots. If they did not reinvent themselves, the would have been joining Kodak.
- paxys 5y ago
  This is actually somewhat true at all major cloud companies. Google, Microsoft and Amazon all have very limited usage of their own commercial cloud services among engineering teams.
  - sterlind 5y ago
    I'm not sure about Google, but at MS we absolutely use our own cloud heavily. sometimes there's big legacy stuff, but nowadays most of that has gone onto Azure under the hood. I've heard Amazon is much the same way. the only exception I can really think of is infrastructure that you need to recover from disasters, which isn't on Azure for obvious bootstrapping reasons.
    - paxys 5y ago
      Until I was at Microsoft a few years ago there was always a struggle to get internal teams to use Azure. There were constant talks to get O365 and Bing (so, the bulk of internet-facing servers) on Azure, but nothing never materialized. I have heard Google is a lot worse in this regard.
londons_explore 5y ago
I wonder how many times ransomware has gotten into Google/Amazon's employees laptops? Having 100k employees, most of whom have admin access to their own machines (cos developer) has got to make it almost impossible to stop it happening.
- paxys 5y ago
  If there's ransomware on an employees's laptop you simply throw it away and give them another one. And have them go through a lot of security training after.
  - beermonster 5y ago
    Assuming they were the weakness. It might be that patching velocity was the reason the laptop became infected. Where I work that is managed via patch management software not the end-user.
- babelfish 5y ago
  I have a friend who works at G that told me shortly after he started working there, he accidentally typed some portion of his password into another website, at which point his laptop immediately locked down and he was forced to change his password before doing anything else.
  - tremon 5y ago
    Are you implying Google had his password stored in reversible form?
    - awwaiid 5y ago
      Maybe they keylog and incrementally hash everything including password subset? Seems implausible.
    - weird-eye-issue 5y ago
      Nothing about the comment that you replied to would require them to store their password in "reversible form"
beermonster 5y ago
Lots of folk (not solely non-technical) treat cloud sync as a backup - when often it’s not. Can’t comment on Fujitsi’s offering. In any case it should only be one of the three copies of your data. Anecdotally, photographers - especially professional ones , take backups quite seriously. I’ve often read good blogposts written by them on how to backup your images. And I believe the 3-2-1 rule originally came from a photographer Peter Krogh.

bouncycastle 5y ago

Funny, because I always think of Amazon is as a "non-cloud" company, especially when most think of it as a place to shop. Of course, I know it's not. Seriously though, fujifilm is a conglomerate and known for their pivots. If they did not reinvent themselves, the would have been joining Kodak.

paxys 5y ago
This is actually somewhat true at all major cloud companies. Google, Microsoft and Amazon all have very limited usage of their own commercial cloud services among engineering teams.
- sterlind 5y ago
  I'm not sure about Google, but at MS we absolutely use our own cloud heavily. sometimes there's big legacy stuff, but nowadays most of that has gone onto Azure under the hood. I've heard Amazon is much the same way. the only exception I can really think of is infrastructure that you need to recover from disasters, which isn't on Azure for obvious bootstrapping reasons.
  - paxys 5y ago
    Until I was at Microsoft a few years ago there was always a struggle to get internal teams to use Azure. There were constant talks to get O365 and Bing (so, the bulk of internet-facing servers) on Azure, but nothing never materialized. I have heard Google is a lot worse in this regard.

londons_explore 5y ago

I wonder how many times ransomware has gotten into Google/Amazon's employees laptops? Having 100k employees, most of whom have admin access to their own machines (cos developer) has got to make it almost impossible to stop it happening.

paxys 5y ago
If there's ransomware on an employees's laptop you simply throw it away and give them another one. And have them go through a lot of security training after.
- beermonster 5y ago
  Assuming they were the weakness. It might be that patching velocity was the reason the laptop became infected. Where I work that is managed via patch management software not the end-user.
babelfish 5y ago
I have a friend who works at G that told me shortly after he started working there, he accidentally typed some portion of his password into another website, at which point his laptop immediately locked down and he was forced to change his password before doing anything else.
- tremon 5y ago
  Are you implying Google had his password stored in reversible form?
  - awwaiid 5y ago
    Maybe they keylog and incrementally hash everything including password subset? Seems implausible.
  - weird-eye-issue 5y ago
    Nothing about the comment that you replied to would require them to store their password in "reversible form"

beermonster 5y ago

Lots of folk (not solely non-technical) treat cloud sync as a backup - when often it’s not. Can’t comment on Fujitsi’s offering. In any case it should only be one of the three copies of your data. Anecdotally, photographers - especially professional ones , take backups quite seriously. I’ve often read good blogposts written by them on how to backup your images. And I believe the 3-2-1 rule originally came from a photographer Peter Krogh.