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> I often do/did paired programming, and over-the-shoulder code reviews. These are easier in person I’m sure I’m not the only person who has the exact opposite

> I often do/did paired programming, and over-the-shoulder code reviews. These are easier in person I’m sure I’m not the only person who has the exact opposite experience with this. I can’t think and get mentally blocked when I have someone peering over my shoulder or I’m staring at their screen. I find this kind of collaboration so much easier if I’m in the comfort of my own desktop setup, sharing the screen over Teams/Skype whatever and communicating verbally over a quality headset.

gnulinux 5y ago
I think this has to do with seniority. When I was a lot more experienced than my coworker, doing pair programming was insanely fun. Because it felt like solving a puzzle with a friend, or exploring a video game with my sister. Now I'm occasionally pair programming with my manager -- who's like a 1000x me -- pair programming is mentally blocking. It's because my peer thinks so much faster than I do that it feels like I'm watching an action movie on 10x speed except every 3 minutes someone pauses the movie and asks questions. EDIT: To make myself clear, this is not a criticism of my boss, it's just that pair programming with someone who is a lot more experienced than you is just naturally intimidating.
- scrose 5y ago
  I’ve been in both positions and know the feeling! Whenever I pair with someone now, I usually try and slow things down in the beginning and ask questions along the way to see if they follow me, even if I think what I’m doing is ‘simple’. No point in pairing if the other persons eyes are glazing over :)
  - eyelidlessness 5y ago
    This is great, and also good to encourage with people who are more junior. They might think they’ve explained the thing from their understanding but it’s trivial to omit details in that position too. I’m by no means junior but I’m new on a team, and I’ve had to remember over and over that the giant blob of the state of everything is unfamiliar to me, familiar to my team, and when I elide details I’m not saving anyone any time because I’m not sure whether those details are relevant or even if they might reveal where I’m off track.
- BrissyCoder 5y ago
  No. At least in my case it has nothing to do with disparity in experience or speed of thought and everything to do with being in my own physical space.
- veilrap 5y ago
  I find this very interesting, because I'm in a similar boat, pretty senior, but not the top of the ladder. But for me some of my favorite pair programming sessions are with people who are operating on another level. It really gets the brain juices going.
- Balero 5y ago
  I get this a lot as well. Just as soon as you are about to say something, or start typing. Just as the idea is coalescing in your mind, as you are walking down the path of understanding. From over your shoulder: "Then do this thing cos of this this and this" - yes thank you I know. Eventually I feel downcast and just stop thinking for myself, I'm just a typer at that point.
eyelidlessness 5y ago
You’re not the only one, and contrary to sibling commenter’s experience it hasn’t had anything to do with seniority for me. Caveat: I’m ADHD/ASD. I find it hard to focus on multiple sensory subjects at once. Pairing in an office means I’m focused on the screen; the human’s body language; the human’s verbal communication; interaction around concepts, design, mechanical stuff like what actually gets read/written/executed; a second screen because sometimes it’s more effective to computer for a second than engage all of that. Remote pairing condenses a lot of that.
nsonha 5y ago
if you use an ide that supports it, then having an independent cursor, pointer and screen marker is infinitely better than sitting awkwardly aside and pointing finger. That and having your own IDE and browser to perform code search or testing in parallel. I'd use vscode live share even in the office, which begs the question what even is the role of the office in facilitating pair programming
mattferderer 5y ago
Try VS Code &/or Visual Studio Live Share or a similar feature on another editor. In my opinion it's a much better programming experience than having your laptop and sitting next to someone so that you can each look over at each other's screen. Also by mid afternoon you might not want to sit physically that close to someone.
Normal_gaussian 5y ago
Pair programming is way faster with screen share & multiplr monitors. One of you has the dominant screen with "the task" and you can both discuss it whilst doing indirect things on your own monitors, and throwing them to the share when they are relevant. Over the shoulder pairing has a lot of "do this", "search that". Shared has a lot more of "can you work out x whilst I check y" and "this is the result of y, I'm interpreting that as z. Should we do a?".

gnulinux 5y ago

I think this has to do with seniority. When I was a lot more experienced than my coworker, doing pair programming was insanely fun. Because it felt like solving a puzzle with a friend, or exploring a video game with my sister. Now I'm occasionally pair programming with my manager -- who's like a 1000x me -- pair programming is mentally blocking. It's because my peer thinks so much faster than I do that it feels like I'm watching an action movie on 10x speed except every 3 minutes someone pauses the movie and asks questions. EDIT: To make myself clear, this is not a criticism of my boss, it's just that pair programming with someone who is a lot more experienced than you is just naturally intimidating.

scrose 5y ago
I’ve been in both positions and know the feeling! Whenever I pair with someone now, I usually try and slow things down in the beginning and ask questions along the way to see if they follow me, even if I think what I’m doing is ‘simple’. No point in pairing if the other persons eyes are glazing over :)
- eyelidlessness 5y ago
  This is great, and also good to encourage with people who are more junior. They might think they’ve explained the thing from their understanding but it’s trivial to omit details in that position too. I’m by no means junior but I’m new on a team, and I’ve had to remember over and over that the giant blob of the state of everything is unfamiliar to me, familiar to my team, and when I elide details I’m not saving anyone any time because I’m not sure whether those details are relevant or even if they might reveal where I’m off track.
BrissyCoder 5y ago
No. At least in my case it has nothing to do with disparity in experience or speed of thought and everything to do with being in my own physical space.
veilrap 5y ago
I find this very interesting, because I'm in a similar boat, pretty senior, but not the top of the ladder. But for me some of my favorite pair programming sessions are with people who are operating on another level. It really gets the brain juices going.
Balero 5y ago
I get this a lot as well. Just as soon as you are about to say something, or start typing. Just as the idea is coalescing in your mind, as you are walking down the path of understanding. From over your shoulder: "Then do this thing cos of this this and this" - yes thank you I know. Eventually I feel downcast and just stop thinking for myself, I'm just a typer at that point.

eyelidlessness 5y ago

You’re not the only one, and contrary to sibling commenter’s experience it hasn’t had anything to do with seniority for me. Caveat: I’m ADHD/ASD. I find it hard to focus on multiple sensory subjects at once. Pairing in an office means I’m focused on the screen; the human’s body language; the human’s verbal communication; interaction around concepts, design, mechanical stuff like what actually gets read/written/executed; a second screen because sometimes it’s more effective to computer for a second than engage all of that. Remote pairing condenses a lot of that.

nsonha 5y ago

if you use an ide that supports it, then having an independent cursor, pointer and screen marker is infinitely better than sitting awkwardly aside and pointing finger. That and having your own IDE and browser to perform code search or testing in parallel. I'd use vscode live share even in the office, which begs the question what even is the role of the office in facilitating pair programming

mattferderer 5y ago

Try VS Code &/or Visual Studio Live Share or a similar feature on another editor. In my opinion it's a much better programming experience than having your laptop and sitting next to someone so that you can each look over at each other's screen. Also by mid afternoon you might not want to sit physically that close to someone.

Normal_gaussian 5y ago

Pair programming is way faster with screen share & multiplr monitors. One of you has the dominant screen with "the task" and you can both discuss it whilst doing indirect things on your own monitors, and throwing them to the share when they are relevant. Over the shoulder pairing has a lot of "do this", "search that". Shared has a lot more of "can you work out x whilst I check y" and "this is the result of y, I'm interpreting that as z. Should we do a?".