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Why does everyone here just assume that everyone’s commute is as bad as theirs? There are many people in the current working generation that avoided the soul-su

Why does everyone here just assume that everyone’s commute is as bad as theirs? There are many people in the current working generation that avoided the soul-sucking suburban commute from the start.

coldtea 5y ago
>Why does everyone here just assume that everyone’s commute is as bad as theirs? Because statistically it would be representative. Also because even if the office is next door, you need to get dressed properly, prepare, etc., which eats at least half hour every morning.
- KptMarchewa 5y ago
  I just hope you shover despite working from home.
  - coldtea 5y ago
    WFH I can shower whenever I want, not necessarily in the morning -- as would be the case when I have a morning commute. And another key benefit is that, even for those who don't shower, nobody else is hurt...
- gnulinux 5y ago
  You should get dressed properly and prepare even if you're working from home.
  - deleted 5y ago
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  - Mountain_Skies 5y ago
    Our CISO made a deal with us that we'd wear collared shirts when we need to be on a video call but are free to wear whatever we want otherwise. I keep a polo shirt with the company logo in the closet of my home office for those occasions. Works well. Sometimes I wait until lunch to shower but if I have a video call in the morning, I'll be sure to shower so my hair looks presentable.
    - wikibob 5y ago
      Where do you work that they care if your shirt has a collar?
      - coldtea 5y ago
        To such a bureaucracy that they have a CISO
  - coldtea 5y ago
    Come and force me
vmception 5y ago
For about 3 months I had a soul sucking commute in the bay area, everyone's reaction: "only 45 minutes each direction!? you're lucky!" or "that's a reverse commute! you're lucky!" spoiler alert, there is no reverse commute, everyone is driving every direction Once I realized the collective delusion I quit Most of my career has been 10 minute walking commutes at trendy companies in trendy neighborhoods in the middle of a city, max of 20. Statistically this is not possible as others are priced out or the units to live in just don't exist.
dcolkitt 5y ago
> There are many people in the current working generation that avoided the soul-sucking suburban commute from the start. Very few of those people have kids. Unless you're making L8 comp, raising a few kids within bicycle commute the major tech campuses is financially unobtainable. The cost of a backyard, good schools, and safe streets is astronomical in tier one urban cores.
- aikinai 5y ago
  Is tier one only Silicon Valley? There are plenty of people raising kids with short commutes in the Seattle area; you don’t even need a FANG salary. And Seattle’s still on the high end; people can also live in places like Austin, Portland, Boulder, etc. And that’s all just in the US. It’s even more obtainable in other countries with better urban planning.
  - dcolkitt 5y ago
    Out of curiosity, have you looked at the housing market in Seattle since the post-pandemic real estate boom? I did a quick smoke test with the following family/commute friendly criteria: * 2000 square foot house * 7500 square foot lot for backyard * 7/10 or higher GreatSchools * Built after 1980 (older houses have much higher lead content which is terrible for young children) * 3 bedrooms/2 bathrooms * 30 minute commute to Amazon or Microsoft HQ I couldn't find a single home under a million. Central Austin is pretty similar, and Boulder is even worse. Portland's slightly more affordable, but homicides in Portland have also quintupled from last year, so families aren't exactly running there.[1] By comparison I can find a house meeting those criteria in Gainesville, FL for under $400k. That's why remote is such a better deal than commuting for people with families. [1]https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/anarchists-and-an-increase-in-crime-hijack-portlands-social-justice-movement/2021/05/28/d49ee1b6-bf1a-11eb-a55f-4871b8ac676f_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/anarchists-and-an-in...
    - aikinai 5y ago
      Someone looking for a 2,000 square foot house with a 7,500 lot is not someone who's prioritizing an accessible location or short commute. The median house in Seattle is 1,460 ft², the median lot is 3,893 ft², and the median home age is 53 years. What you're describing is an actual mansion in any populous city; of course you're going to pay mansion prices. I lived in Seattle for a long time and know plenty of large families living in comfortable homes close to work on regular non-FANG salaries. They don't live in estates, but they don't need to. The people who do want that either need to be rich or drive an hour; there are a lot of those people too. And I'm sure the ones who drove an hour are thrilled with work-from-home.

coldtea 5y ago

>Why does everyone here just assume that everyone’s commute is as bad as theirs? Because statistically it would be representative. Also because even if the office is next door, you need to get dressed properly, prepare, etc., which eats at least half hour every morning.

KptMarchewa 5y ago
I just hope you shover despite working from home.
- coldtea 5y ago
  WFH I can shower whenever I want, not necessarily in the morning -- as would be the case when I have a morning commute. And another key benefit is that, even for those who don't shower, nobody else is hurt...
gnulinux 5y ago
You should get dressed properly and prepare even if you're working from home.
- deleted 5y ago
  [deleted]
- Mountain_Skies 5y ago
  Our CISO made a deal with us that we'd wear collared shirts when we need to be on a video call but are free to wear whatever we want otherwise. I keep a polo shirt with the company logo in the closet of my home office for those occasions. Works well. Sometimes I wait until lunch to shower but if I have a video call in the morning, I'll be sure to shower so my hair looks presentable.
  - wikibob 5y ago
    Where do you work that they care if your shirt has a collar?
    - coldtea 5y ago
      To such a bureaucracy that they have a CISO
- coldtea 5y ago
  Come and force me

vmception 5y ago

For about 3 months I had a soul sucking commute in the bay area, everyone's reaction: "only 45 minutes each direction!? you're lucky!" or "that's a reverse commute! you're lucky!" spoiler alert, there is no reverse commute, everyone is driving every direction Once I realized the collective delusion I quit Most of my career has been 10 minute walking commutes at trendy companies in trendy neighborhoods in the middle of a city, max of 20. Statistically this is not possible as others are priced out or the units to live in just don't exist.

dcolkitt 5y ago

> There are many people in the current working generation that avoided the soul-sucking suburban commute from the start. Very few of those people have kids. Unless you're making L8 comp, raising a few kids within bicycle commute the major tech campuses is financially unobtainable. The cost of a backyard, good schools, and safe streets is astronomical in tier one urban cores.

aikinai 5y ago
Is tier one only Silicon Valley? There are plenty of people raising kids with short commutes in the Seattle area; you don’t even need a FANG salary. And Seattle’s still on the high end; people can also live in places like Austin, Portland, Boulder, etc. And that’s all just in the US. It’s even more obtainable in other countries with better urban planning.
- dcolkitt 5y ago
  Out of curiosity, have you looked at the housing market in Seattle since the post-pandemic real estate boom? I did a quick smoke test with the following family/commute friendly criteria: * 2000 square foot house * 7500 square foot lot for backyard * 7/10 or higher GreatSchools * Built after 1980 (older houses have much higher lead content which is terrible for young children) * 3 bedrooms/2 bathrooms * 30 minute commute to Amazon or Microsoft HQ I couldn't find a single home under a million. Central Austin is pretty similar, and Boulder is even worse. Portland's slightly more affordable, but homicides in Portland have also quintupled from last year, so families aren't exactly running there.[1] By comparison I can find a house meeting those criteria in Gainesville, FL for under $400k. That's why remote is such a better deal than commuting for people with families. [1]https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/anarchists-and-an-increase-in-crime-hijack-portlands-social-justice-movement/2021/05/28/d49ee1b6-bf1a-11eb-a55f-4871b8ac676f_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/anarchists-and-an-in...
  - aikinai 5y ago
    Someone looking for a 2,000 square foot house with a 7,500 lot is not someone who's prioritizing an accessible location or short commute. The median house in Seattle is 1,460 ft², the median lot is 3,893 ft², and the median home age is 53 years. What you're describing is an actual mansion in any populous city; of course you're going to pay mansion prices. I lived in Seattle for a long time and know plenty of large families living in comfortable homes close to work on regular non-FANG salaries. They don't live in estates, but they don't need to. The people who do want that either need to be rich or drive an hour; there are a lot of those people too. And I'm sure the ones who drove an hour are thrilled with work-from-home.