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We should stop kids from wearing the masks. The covid risk for the kids are miniscule and masks do not stop covid anyway.

by jsnk 5y ago

martimarkov 5y ago
Factually incorrect - both statements. Minuscule (if we just take it at face value) is not the same as none. If a kid dies then there is a risk. Plus it depends on what I consider to be high risk. If a kid dies from preventable causes then for me that’s high risk environment. Kids also spread the disease even we ignore the risk for them. So that means that it’s an increase of the risk for everyone else. Kids also interact with their grandparents in a lot of cultures quite frequently which is the highest risk group. Mask decrease the probability of spreading or contracting COVID.
- orangecat 5y ago
  Minuscule (if we just take it at face value) is not the same as none. If a kid dies then there is a risk. This isn't a useful classification; literally everything we do has some risk. 300 Americans under 18 have died from Covid (https://www.statista.com/statistics/1191568/reported-deaths-from-covid-by-age-us/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1191568/reported-deaths-...), which is insignificant when compared to deaths from accidents, and not much higher than pre-Covid flu deaths (https://www.cdc.gov/flu/spotlights/2019-2020/2019-20-pediatric-flu-deaths.htm https://www.cdc.gov/flu/spotlights/2019-2020/2019-20-pediatr...). Kids also interact with their grandparents in a lot of cultures quite frequently which is the highest risk group. At least in the US, their grandparents should have been vaccinated months ago.
0xbadcafebee 5y ago
https://www.health.harvard.edu/diseases-and-conditions/coronavirus-outbreak-and-kids https://www.health.harvard.edu/diseases-and-conditions/coron... https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/daily-life-coping/children/symptoms.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/daily-life-coping/... The risks are lower, not miniscule. Some are also vulnerable to MIS-C. Masks do not stop covid for adults either, should adults stop wearing masks? (No.) Children are also potentially infectious.
chrisrogers 5y ago
Masks are critical for dampening the potential for spread. The goal is not entirely to mitigate risk for the kid themselves, but of spread to their household that leads to increased likelihood of deaths.
- SllX 5y ago
  At this point, for those households, all I have to say to them is get vaccinated or STFU. San Francisco sits at 60% fully vaccinated with most of the Bay Area in the same range; only Solano County lags very far behind at 39% fully vaccinated. If between now and September, we can’t get society vaccinated to the point that kids can attend school 5 days a week without a mask, then we either need to do some full on Union busting or it’s time to start leaving the unvaccinated behind and let them take their lives into their own hands. Will that suck for those that for some reason can’t? Yes, but we can’t keep society in a holding pattern for them forever.
olliej 5y ago
seatbelts don't stop people dying in car crashes, hospitals don't stop people dying from injuries,

We should stop kids from wearing the masks. The covid risk for the kids are miniscule and masks do not stop covid anyway.

by jsnk 5y ago

We should stop kids from wearing the masks. The covid risk for the kids are miniscule and masks do not stop covid anyway.

martimarkov 5y ago

Factually incorrect - both statements. Minuscule (if we just take it at face value) is not the same as none. If a kid dies then there is a risk. Plus it depends on what I consider to be high risk. If a kid dies from preventable causes then for me that’s high risk environment. Kids also spread the disease even we ignore the risk for them. So that means that it’s an increase of the risk for everyone else. Kids also interact with their grandparents in a lot of cultures quite frequently which is the highest risk group. Mask decrease the probability of spreading or contracting COVID.

orangecat 5y ago
Minuscule (if we just take it at face value) is not the same as none. If a kid dies then there is a risk. This isn't a useful classification; literally everything we do has some risk. 300 Americans under 18 have died from Covid (https://www.statista.com/statistics/1191568/reported-deaths-from-covid-by-age-us/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1191568/reported-deaths-...), which is insignificant when compared to deaths from accidents, and not much higher than pre-Covid flu deaths (https://www.cdc.gov/flu/spotlights/2019-2020/2019-20-pediatric-flu-deaths.htm https://www.cdc.gov/flu/spotlights/2019-2020/2019-20-pediatr...). Kids also interact with their grandparents in a lot of cultures quite frequently which is the highest risk group. At least in the US, their grandparents should have been vaccinated months ago.

0xbadcafebee 5y ago

https://www.health.harvard.edu/diseases-and-conditions/coronavirus-outbreak-and-kids https://www.health.harvard.edu/diseases-and-conditions/coron... https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/daily-life-coping/children/symptoms.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/daily-life-coping/... The risks are lower, not miniscule. Some are also vulnerable to MIS-C. Masks do not stop covid for adults either, should adults stop wearing masks? (No.) Children are also potentially infectious.

chrisrogers 5y ago

Masks are critical for dampening the potential for spread. The goal is not entirely to mitigate risk for the kid themselves, but of spread to their household that leads to increased likelihood of deaths.

SllX 5y ago
At this point, for those households, all I have to say to them is get vaccinated or STFU. San Francisco sits at 60% fully vaccinated with most of the Bay Area in the same range; only Solano County lags very far behind at 39% fully vaccinated. If between now and September, we can’t get society vaccinated to the point that kids can attend school 5 days a week without a mask, then we either need to do some full on Union busting or it’s time to start leaving the unvaccinated behind and let them take their lives into their own hands. Will that suck for those that for some reason can’t? Yes, but we can’t keep society in a holding pattern for them forever.

olliej 5y ago

seatbelts don't stop people dying in car crashes, hospitals don't stop people dying from injuries,