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Because unvaccinated people can contract and spread COVID?

by whymauri 5y ago

hauget 5y ago
Exactly.
swader999 5y ago
So can vaccinated people.
- kelnos 5y ago
  Sure, but the probability of that happening is much, much lower, to the point of it being not worth protecting against, for the most part.
  - refurb 5y ago
    Not really. Singapore is finding quite a few infections among the vaccinated. Sure, they don't get severe disease, but they do spread disease. https://mothership.sg/2021/06/mindsville-napiri-covid-19/ https://mothership.sg/2021/06/mindsville-napiri-covid-19/
  - InvertedRhodium 5y ago
    HIV has a transmission rate below 2% - I'd still suggest wearing a condom though.
    - ledauphin 5y ago
      risk/reward ratio here is way different, no?
- whymauri 5y ago
  lol you're totally right, let's just never trust any vaccine or medical developments due to anomalous chance of failure. in accordance to this, i pledge to never leave my home until i leave this barren earth.
  - alpaca128 5y ago
    The vaccine does not completely prevent you from getting infected or from being able to infect others. It drastically reduces the chance, especially of the more dangerous symptoms affecting the lungs, but it doesn't grant complete immunity. Besides, measures like masks also affect many other diseases; this recent winter they were effective enough to reduce influenza-related deaths by over 95% compared to the year before.
    - blabitty 5y ago
      >this recent winter they were effective enough to reduce influenza-related deaths by over 95% compared to the year before. A little hard to chalk that up to masking alone given all the other drastic societal changes. What about WFH and distancing?
      - alpaca128 5y ago
        I never excluded other measures beside masks. I mainly mentioned masks ("measures like masks") because they were the main topic here.
    - astrange 5y ago
      “Drastically reducing the chances” is all you need, because everyone else has also gotten vaccinated and there isn’t a supply of bats dropping fresh virus on you to constantly challenge it. The COVID vaccines really are so good there’s not much reason to take extra precautions as long as you’ve gotten one. Variants don’t even matter since it’s not the flu.
  - swader999 5y ago
    I never said there wasn't value in being vaccinated. Obviously it reduces death and severe illness.
- themacguffinman 5y ago
  The popular vaccines (Pfizer, Moderna, AstraZeneca) are known to significantly reduce asymptomatic infections as well [1]. [1] Table 1b. Effectiveness of COVID-19 Vaccination Against Asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 Infection in https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/fully-vaccinated-people.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-br...

Because unvaccinated people can contract and spread COVID?

hauget 5y ago

Exactly.

swader999 5y ago

So can vaccinated people.

kelnos 5y ago
Sure, but the probability of that happening is much, much lower, to the point of it being not worth protecting against, for the most part.
- refurb 5y ago
  Not really. Singapore is finding quite a few infections among the vaccinated. Sure, they don't get severe disease, but they do spread disease. https://mothership.sg/2021/06/mindsville-napiri-covid-19/ https://mothership.sg/2021/06/mindsville-napiri-covid-19/
- InvertedRhodium 5y ago
  HIV has a transmission rate below 2% - I'd still suggest wearing a condom though.
  - ledauphin 5y ago
    risk/reward ratio here is way different, no?
whymauri 5y ago
lol you're totally right, let's just never trust any vaccine or medical developments due to anomalous chance of failure. in accordance to this, i pledge to never leave my home until i leave this barren earth.
- alpaca128 5y ago
  The vaccine does not completely prevent you from getting infected or from being able to infect others. It drastically reduces the chance, especially of the more dangerous symptoms affecting the lungs, but it doesn't grant complete immunity. Besides, measures like masks also affect many other diseases; this recent winter they were effective enough to reduce influenza-related deaths by over 95% compared to the year before.
  - blabitty 5y ago
    >this recent winter they were effective enough to reduce influenza-related deaths by over 95% compared to the year before. A little hard to chalk that up to masking alone given all the other drastic societal changes. What about WFH and distancing?
    - alpaca128 5y ago
      I never excluded other measures beside masks. I mainly mentioned masks ("measures like masks") because they were the main topic here.
  - astrange 5y ago
    “Drastically reducing the chances” is all you need, because everyone else has also gotten vaccinated and there isn’t a supply of bats dropping fresh virus on you to constantly challenge it. The COVID vaccines really are so good there’s not much reason to take extra precautions as long as you’ve gotten one. Variants don’t even matter since it’s not the flu.
- swader999 5y ago
  I never said there wasn't value in being vaccinated. Obviously it reduces death and severe illness.
themacguffinman 5y ago
The popular vaccines (Pfizer, Moderna, AstraZeneca) are known to significantly reduce asymptomatic infections as well [1]. [1] Table 1b. Effectiveness of COVID-19 Vaccination Against Asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 Infection in https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/fully-vaccinated-people.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-br...