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The problem is that constant surveillance of people makes exerting power over them trivial.

matz1 5y ago
So then that is the actual problem, try to fix that problem instead of banning it. Allowing people to own gun also make it trivially easy to kill people. So ban gun ?
- dabbledash 5y ago
  If there’s a way to make it impossible for the government to use facial recognition to monitor people other than legally banning them doing so, it’s hard to imagine it.
  - matz1 5y ago
    why would i want to make it impossible for government to monitor people ? government monitoring people by itself is not a problem, government monitoring people to harm people is the problem. What need to be fixed is the usage of tools to harm people, not the tool itself.
    - dabbledash 5y ago
      The only thing that keeps them from harming you is your power relative to them. Handing them more power only increases the probability that they will abuse what powers they do have. I thought the election of Trump would disabuse people of this idea that it’s smart to hand more and more power to central authorities. But at this point I think it’s hopeless. People just want the state to be Daddy, and assume or hope that its power will always be wielded by people they like against people they don’t.
- beebmam 5y ago
  For your analogy: yes, guns should be banned. That bottle has been opened in most places in the world, and some countries have actually put the genie back in, and it has resulted in dramatically lower gun death rates. The UK for example, as it has one of the lowest gun homicide death rates in the world: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearms_regulation_in_the_United_Kingdom#Crime https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearms_regulation_in_the_Uni... Moreover, yes, other deeply awful weapons are also banned. Biological weapons and Chemical weapons are both widely banned by all decent countries in the world. Nuclear weapons should join this list. They almost did, during the Reagan era: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/01/ronald-reagans-disarmament-dream/422244/ https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/01/ronald-...

So then that is the actual problem, try to fix that problem instead of banning it. Allowing people to own gun also make it trivially easy to kill people. So ban gun ?

dabbledash 5y ago
If there’s a way to make it impossible for the government to use facial recognition to monitor people other than legally banning them doing so, it’s hard to imagine it.
- matz1 5y ago
  why would i want to make it impossible for government to monitor people ? government monitoring people by itself is not a problem, government monitoring people to harm people is the problem. What need to be fixed is the usage of tools to harm people, not the tool itself.
  - dabbledash 5y ago
    The only thing that keeps them from harming you is your power relative to them. Handing them more power only increases the probability that they will abuse what powers they do have. I thought the election of Trump would disabuse people of this idea that it’s smart to hand more and more power to central authorities. But at this point I think it’s hopeless. People just want the state to be Daddy, and assume or hope that its power will always be wielded by people they like against people they don’t.
beebmam 5y ago
For your analogy: yes, guns should be banned. That bottle has been opened in most places in the world, and some countries have actually put the genie back in, and it has resulted in dramatically lower gun death rates. The UK for example, as it has one of the lowest gun homicide death rates in the world: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearms_regulation_in_the_United_Kingdom#Crime https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearms_regulation_in_the_Uni... Moreover, yes, other deeply awful weapons are also banned. Biological weapons and Chemical weapons are both widely banned by all decent countries in the world. Nuclear weapons should join this list. They almost did, during the Reagan era: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/01/ronald-reagans-disarmament-dream/422244/ https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/01/ronald-...