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The US is going to end up tracking and assassinating these people, if we're not already. Messing with the old money usually doesn't turn out well for whoever's

The US is going to end up tracking and assassinating these people, if we're not already. Messing with the old money usually doesn't turn out well for whoever's doing it.

bluGill 5y ago
Not just the US. A lot of countries care. Western Europe (not sure about the east) does as well and will do something even if they aren't as violent as the US. (In fact they are probably going to claim the moral high ground of not assassinating people only because they give evidence to the US and look the other way). South America, South Asia, and Africa will all have at least some helping out, though it isn't clear who will do what. Most of the blame is going to Russia, though North Korea is a possible source of this, as are a few random countries scattered around. Most stand to lose more than they gain from allowing such crime. (their military might be interested in the ability, but those will be more careful about who they target)
- tobesure 5y ago
  Why not China? I always have problems with these attributions - they inevitably depend on "signatures" like timestamps and language encodings that would be trivial to deliberately fake by a competent team - and some of these hacks indicate competence.
vecter 5y ago
Are there actual examples of the US "assassinating" bad actors in this way? That seems farfetched, as opposed to just going after them in the judicial system.
- lnwlebjel 5y ago
  This would suggests that there are not actual examples: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Targeted_killing#Use_by_United_States_government https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Targeted_killing#Use_by_United...
- ncallaway 5y ago
  Operation Condor is a good starting point for some truly horrific US involvement in torture, terrorism, and targeted killing
- marnett 5y ago
  I don’t know exactly how public any instances would be, but presumably the large and well funded intelligence complex of the US would have the cyber forensic capabilities to potentially trace bad actors. Pairing this with the physical intelligence agencies, if the US truly wanted to find these individuals and take them out I’m sure they could. Recommended reading on the history of only one of these intelligence agencies (and the somewhat extrajudicial way in which they often operate) is Legacy of Ashes by Tim Weiner, which is a fantastic history of the CIA.
lvs 5y ago
Unless there have been classified changes, EO 12333 bans such activity.
wrycoder 5y ago
Yeah, going after the ferry to Nantucket? That’s getting serious. Unforced error.

The US is going to end up tracking and assassinating these people, if we're not already. Messing with the old money usually doesn't turn out well for whoever's doing it.

bluGill 5y ago

Not just the US. A lot of countries care. Western Europe (not sure about the east) does as well and will do something even if they aren't as violent as the US. (In fact they are probably going to claim the moral high ground of not assassinating people only because they give evidence to the US and look the other way). South America, South Asia, and Africa will all have at least some helping out, though it isn't clear who will do what. Most of the blame is going to Russia, though North Korea is a possible source of this, as are a few random countries scattered around. Most stand to lose more than they gain from allowing such crime. (their military might be interested in the ability, but those will be more careful about who they target)

tobesure 5y ago
Why not China? I always have problems with these attributions - they inevitably depend on "signatures" like timestamps and language encodings that would be trivial to deliberately fake by a competent team - and some of these hacks indicate competence.

vecter 5y ago

Are there actual examples of the US "assassinating" bad actors in this way? That seems farfetched, as opposed to just going after them in the judicial system.

lnwlebjel 5y ago
This would suggests that there are not actual examples: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Targeted_killing#Use_by_United_States_government https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Targeted_killing#Use_by_United...
ncallaway 5y ago
Operation Condor is a good starting point for some truly horrific US involvement in torture, terrorism, and targeted killing
marnett 5y ago
I don’t know exactly how public any instances would be, but presumably the large and well funded intelligence complex of the US would have the cyber forensic capabilities to potentially trace bad actors. Pairing this with the physical intelligence agencies, if the US truly wanted to find these individuals and take them out I’m sure they could. Recommended reading on the history of only one of these intelligence agencies (and the somewhat extrajudicial way in which they often operate) is Legacy of Ashes by Tim Weiner, which is a fantastic history of the CIA.

lvs 5y ago

Unless there have been classified changes, EO 12333 bans such activity.

wrycoder 5y ago

Yeah, going after the ferry to Nantucket? That’s getting serious. Unforced error.