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Uh - because he may be ripping people off or people may file claims for a refund, and if they give it to the scammer it's hard to give get it back to make folks

Uh - because he may be ripping people off or people may file claims for a refund, and if they give it to the scammer it's hard to give get it back to make folks who got ripped off whole? This is 101 stuff. Credit card companies do this routinely as well. I'm hearing fyre festivals will be harder to get immediate payout on. Travel does this when businesses are near bust - credit card companies will hold funds.

tyingq 5y ago
It's a 20 year old account, and this activity doesn't seem to be new, or associated with fraud, etc. What aspect of what he's doing seems similar to Fyre? I don't understand the flippant tone.
- slownews45 5y ago
  The tech companies are not analyzing things at this level. They close a number of accounts each month. A certain number of those were engaged in fraud and will generate chargeback activity. Others were legit but accepting payments in advance. Once the business is out of business those too will generate chargeback activity. Some are legit but had bad service, lost key employees resulting in complaints. Once the account is shut those also often generate chargebacks. So they sit on the money for 180 days, it doesn't cost them anything and saves them a big pain in trying to claw money back from any of these folks who may not look at them that fondly after being cutoff for what may have a been a silly reason.
  - syshum 5y ago
    The problem here is that is sounds like he was SENDING money not RECIEVING money, They can trace where the money came from, if I put money into the account so I could pay someone they find objectionable and then shut me down they should not be able to hold that money because it is not a fraud issue, i did not receive from a 3rd party, it is 100% my money yet they also hold these funds for the 180 days
    - teclordphrack2 5y ago
      Something tells me, "read the fine print"?
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- sofixa 5y ago
  And his account can be taken over by someone else, or his behaviour could change. Account age shouldn't be a huge determining factor.
dahart 5y ago
> because he may be ripping people off or people may file claims for a refund This is a reasonable argument in general, but it falls apart here because there was a human in the loop who knows why the account was disabled, and knows that it wasn’t for suspicion of scammy behavior, nor for suspicion of insufficient funds.

tyingq 5y ago

It's a 20 year old account, and this activity doesn't seem to be new, or associated with fraud, etc. What aspect of what he's doing seems similar to Fyre? I don't understand the flippant tone.

slownews45 5y ago
The tech companies are not analyzing things at this level. They close a number of accounts each month. A certain number of those were engaged in fraud and will generate chargeback activity. Others were legit but accepting payments in advance. Once the business is out of business those too will generate chargeback activity. Some are legit but had bad service, lost key employees resulting in complaints. Once the account is shut those also often generate chargebacks. So they sit on the money for 180 days, it doesn't cost them anything and saves them a big pain in trying to claw money back from any of these folks who may not look at them that fondly after being cutoff for what may have a been a silly reason.
- syshum 5y ago
  The problem here is that is sounds like he was SENDING money not RECIEVING money, They can trace where the money came from, if I put money into the account so I could pay someone they find objectionable and then shut me down they should not be able to hold that money because it is not a fraud issue, i did not receive from a 3rd party, it is 100% my money yet they also hold these funds for the 180 days
  - teclordphrack2 5y ago
    Something tells me, "read the fine print"?
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sofixa 5y ago
And his account can be taken over by someone else, or his behaviour could change. Account age shouldn't be a huge determining factor.

dahart 5y ago

> because he may be ripping people off or people may file claims for a refund This is a reasonable argument in general, but it falls apart here because there was a human in the loop who knows why the account was disabled, and knows that it wasn’t for suspicion of scammy behavior, nor for suspicion of insufficient funds.