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You're trying to reframe the problem around the people who call it out. That's a good way to distract from said problem but not a way to address it. That kind o

• greyface- 5y ago
  Historically, treating "degeneracy" as a problem to be solved leads to some very, very dark places.
• jjulius 5y ago
  >That kind of drug usage is a manifestation of degeneracy... Please define "degenerate". Would you consider individuals who hold successful, stable careers (they may even hold down a high-level role), have a family, no criminal records, for all intents and purposes are 'normal' people, but maybe once every few years they go camping with friends and consume psychedelics, to be a "degenerate"? Because to me it sounds like you're making a gigantic blanket generalization.
• shakezula 5y ago
  The only fallacy being employed here is your own. You have to provide evidence that psychedelic use is somehow morally wrong, or that it causes a problem. So far you have presented no evidence to that end.
  • Morvan 5y ago
    Please read my last response above. You people crack me up trying to feign ignorance demanding that the reprehensible part of drug use be formalized like you're some dense automaton. The very fact that half the thread takes offense at my use of "degeneracy" is precisely because I touched a nerve and likely some repressed vice repackaged as morally sound recreation. I likely have met more drug/psychedelic users than you ever will and could assert there is a near -1 correlation between such individuals and good moral character. If you need a textbook definition of the latter as well, please ask your parents.
• BobbyJo 5y ago
  You've rebutted an unrelated discussion about your motives without backing up your claims. What exactly makes taking psychedelics a degenerate act? What leads you to believe it is a result of degeneracy?
  • Morvan 5y ago
    >What exactly makes taking psychedelics a degenerate act? What leads you to believe it is a result of degeneracy? I'm sorry mate but it was your parents' job to explain that one to you, not mine. And it's not a belief, it's a conviction based on proper upbringing and personal experience with greek life. But if you need a hint, just look at all the responses to my posts. It's like I've kicked a hornets' nest of self-deluded hedonists who don't want their guilty pleasure taken away from them. All desperately trying to rationalize their vices with pedantry and other exculpatory re-framing of drug use.
• hannasanarion 5y ago
  > to respond to greyface- below since I am not longer allowed to reply. what you seem to be hinting at amounts to reasoning by extremes, a trite fallacy The word "degenerate" is reasoning by extremes. It signals puritanical zealotry from a palingenetic perspective. Whatever glorious past you think society is de-generating from is a myth composed by people with rosy-eyed memories and an agenda that, were it not for the justifying myth, would be obviously absurd.
  • jrochkind1 5y ago
    hits the nail on the head, thanks!
• mustacheemperor 5y ago
  This sounds like a tautological argument. Can you provide your definition and/or evidence of "a bigger cultural trend of degeneracy" that does not simply point back to the decriminalization of drugs? I am reading the merriam-webster definition of "degenerate" to try and make sense of what you are saying, is it that there is some kind of society-wide or worldwide phenomenon of mass brain failure that "manifests" itself in the use of psychedelic drugs which have themselves been known to humans throughout our recorded history? Referring back up to the earlier comments, what I read here strikes me as similar to the opinions the earlier commenter was describing, the idea that the success of society relies on some inherent concepts of self-control and personal sovereignty that are somehow threatened by use of psychedelic drugs. You are completely entitled to your own opinion, but throwing the d-word around isn't doing anything to clarify why you hold that opinion for me. It reads like an argument based on emotion.