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There are many laws like this that attempt to prevent an uncommon Bad Thing™ from happening at the expense of individual freedom. Some are created as a respons

There are many laws like this that attempt to prevent an uncommon Bad Thing™ from happening at the expense of individual freedom. Some are created as a response to some event. Some are the result of some group pushing their moral values in law. I think we have seen that in most cases these types of laws that conflate correlation and causation are harmful and often abused to the detriment of specific groups.

tekknik 5y ago
Like gun control! Chicago, with its restrictive gun control, hasn’t fixed gun crime at all, just continued to restrict law abiding citizens rights.
- slickfoxx 5y ago
  Chicago gun laws aren’t the problem. 60% of the crimes in Chicago involving firearms are committed with a gun purchased out of state, specifically Indiana, which has some of the laxest gun legislation in the country. Downtown Chicago is closer to the Indiana state line than the suburbs of Chicago.
  - tekknik 5y ago
    Are you missing the point where there’s a law on the books but some people don’t care? Say you get rid of the Indiana, then they’ll get there guns elsewhere. The problem is not the guns
    - darkarmani 5y ago
      > then they’ll get there guns elsewhere. The problem is not the guns The harder it is to get guns, the less people that will get them. Are you really saying that if you make people drive 500 more miles to acquire guns, gun crimes levels will stay exactly the same?
- SilverRed 5y ago
  This is a totally solved problem in Australia and NZ. It's just that in the US it would require either country wide action or very strict border patrol/checks.
  - tekknik 5y ago
    Yea totally solved in a completely isolated country with coast guard checking inbound ships. As a counter point, guns are basically illegal in MX, yet they have no problem. Then there’s 3D printers, apparently nerf guns can be converted as well. So no, there’s still guns available in Australia and NZ, if people want them. You just don’t have the divisiveness and hatred there like we do in the US.

tekknik 5y ago

Like gun control! Chicago, with its restrictive gun control, hasn’t fixed gun crime at all, just continued to restrict law abiding citizens rights.

slickfoxx 5y ago
Chicago gun laws aren’t the problem. 60% of the crimes in Chicago involving firearms are committed with a gun purchased out of state, specifically Indiana, which has some of the laxest gun legislation in the country. Downtown Chicago is closer to the Indiana state line than the suburbs of Chicago.
- tekknik 5y ago
  Are you missing the point where there’s a law on the books but some people don’t care? Say you get rid of the Indiana, then they’ll get there guns elsewhere. The problem is not the guns
  - darkarmani 5y ago
    > then they’ll get there guns elsewhere. The problem is not the guns The harder it is to get guns, the less people that will get them. Are you really saying that if you make people drive 500 more miles to acquire guns, gun crimes levels will stay exactly the same?
SilverRed 5y ago
This is a totally solved problem in Australia and NZ. It's just that in the US it would require either country wide action or very strict border patrol/checks.
- tekknik 5y ago
  Yea totally solved in a completely isolated country with coast guard checking inbound ships. As a counter point, guns are basically illegal in MX, yet they have no problem. Then there’s 3D printers, apparently nerf guns can be converted as well. So no, there’s still guns available in Australia and NZ, if people want them. You just don’t have the divisiveness and hatred there like we do in the US.