3 ms·

Step off your soap box and RTFA. The linked BI reporting mentions interviews they did with managers (btw you seem to be confusing op-eds and reporting, Mr. Fix-

Step off your soap box and RTFA. The linked BI reporting mentions interviews they did with managers (btw you seem to be confusing op-eds and reporting, Mr. Fix-Journalism Startup Idea Guy). Or do your own verification- this practice is discussed frequently on Amazon’s teamblind lounge, for example. Get someone in your network to let you take a peek. Unlike HN (which you just trust intrinsically for some reason), that site requires you verify your employer before posting.

aerosmile 5y ago
Ouch. Are you always this cranky? Someone suggests a startup idea and you instantly revert to name calling? The linked BI article is gated, and no, I am not going to spend a penny on that POS publication. While I would be generally curious in learning what your gated sources at Amazon have to say, it's ridiculous to be mad at me for not having done that research. If there are interesting patterns that can be extracted out of internal Amazon forums, then I would hope that a journalist would have a go at it and earn their living with rigorous reporting as opposed to skating on the edge of libel boundaries. And btw, when you call people names, be aware that this often says more about you than the person you're trying to insult. Seems like you have a particular aversion against people with startup ideas, which automatically means that you were never successful with any of your own - people who make startups work for them don't have as much of a chip on their shoulder. That's ok, startups are hard and most people don't win - I have a lot of respect for anyone who even gives it a try. But please use your experience to help other people as opposed to just being bitter about it and putting others down.
- bestcoder69 5y ago
  Ok so you won’t read the article. Sorry to waste your time by suggesting you do that before proclaiming the reporter (whose reporting you didn’t read) isn’t doing their job. Startups are great, but their chances of success are higher when the founders know what they’re talking about.
  - aerosmile 5y ago
    This article originally linked to an Inc. article which I read top to bottom [1]. I also clicked on the link to the BI article and found that it's gated [2]. By the time you arrived at the party, the mods changed the source link from Inc to BI, which I would argue only confirms that the Inc article was total BS and was not deemed a good reference - so much so, that they even chose to link to a gated article, which is obviously not ideal. It's unfortunate that switching the source made it less clear which author's work I was commenting on, but I think that you'll see that most HN readers who engaged with me agreed that Jason Aten's article was rather weak. Your childish name calling, on the other hand, will always be unwelcome here regardless of circumstances, and please consider changing your approach or just go back to where you were prior to recently creating this HN account. [1] https://www.inc.com/jason-aten/amazons-controversial-hire-to-fire-practice-reveals-a-brutal-truth-about-management.html https://www.inc.com/jason-aten/amazons-controversial-hire-to... [2] https://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-tracks-unregretted-attrition-rate-people-not-sad-to-lose-2021-4 https://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-tracks-unregretted-at...
    - bestcoder69 5y ago
      I commented with a link to the archive.org for the BI article. It aligns with my first hand knowledge and what I’ve read elsewhere. I’m not interested in discussing this meta stuff or what names you’d prefer to be called, sorry. dang can ding me if I broke a rule, but that’s not your job. On HN I believe we’re supposed to discuss the merits of each other’s arguments.
      - aerosmile 5y ago
        I would prefer not to be called any names at all, thank you very much.

aerosmile 5y ago

Ouch. Are you always this cranky? Someone suggests a startup idea and you instantly revert to name calling? The linked BI article is gated, and no, I am not going to spend a penny on that POS publication. While I would be generally curious in learning what your gated sources at Amazon have to say, it's ridiculous to be mad at me for not having done that research. If there are interesting patterns that can be extracted out of internal Amazon forums, then I would hope that a journalist would have a go at it and earn their living with rigorous reporting as opposed to skating on the edge of libel boundaries. And btw, when you call people names, be aware that this often says more about you than the person you're trying to insult. Seems like you have a particular aversion against people with startup ideas, which automatically means that you were never successful with any of your own - people who make startups work for them don't have as much of a chip on their shoulder. That's ok, startups are hard and most people don't win - I have a lot of respect for anyone who even gives it a try. But please use your experience to help other people as opposed to just being bitter about it and putting others down.

bestcoder69 5y ago
Ok so you won’t read the article. Sorry to waste your time by suggesting you do that before proclaiming the reporter (whose reporting you didn’t read) isn’t doing their job. Startups are great, but their chances of success are higher when the founders know what they’re talking about.
- aerosmile 5y ago
  This article originally linked to an Inc. article which I read top to bottom [1]. I also clicked on the link to the BI article and found that it's gated [2]. By the time you arrived at the party, the mods changed the source link from Inc to BI, which I would argue only confirms that the Inc article was total BS and was not deemed a good reference - so much so, that they even chose to link to a gated article, which is obviously not ideal. It's unfortunate that switching the source made it less clear which author's work I was commenting on, but I think that you'll see that most HN readers who engaged with me agreed that Jason Aten's article was rather weak. Your childish name calling, on the other hand, will always be unwelcome here regardless of circumstances, and please consider changing your approach or just go back to where you were prior to recently creating this HN account. [1] https://www.inc.com/jason-aten/amazons-controversial-hire-to-fire-practice-reveals-a-brutal-truth-about-management.html https://www.inc.com/jason-aten/amazons-controversial-hire-to... [2] https://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-tracks-unregretted-attrition-rate-people-not-sad-to-lose-2021-4 https://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-tracks-unregretted-at...
  - bestcoder69 5y ago
    I commented with a link to the archive.org for the BI article. It aligns with my first hand knowledge and what I’ve read elsewhere. I’m not interested in discussing this meta stuff or what names you’d prefer to be called, sorry. dang can ding me if I broke a rule, but that’s not your job. On HN I believe we’re supposed to discuss the merits of each other’s arguments.
    - aerosmile 5y ago
      I would prefer not to be called any names at all, thank you very much.