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Oh great, so voting restrictions, abortion bans and tacit support of violent right wing extremists are now comparable to a university enacting a vague policy th

Oh great, so voting restrictions, abortion bans and tacit support of violent right wing extremists are now comparable to a university enacting a vague policy that doesn't actually seen to imply that they will do any monitoring? I would prefer if you just abstained from voting, honestly.

throwaway292893 5y ago
Wanting secure voting is not restricting it. Fighting for rights of the unborn is not a bad thing when you believe they are alive at a certain point before birth (some people are fighting simply for abortion to be banned after birth). Antifa/BLM has done more damage and death in these past years of riots than anything the "right-wing extreme" has done in terms of body count and property damage. What right wing group and what event are you talking about? Jan 6th, the only person who was killed was shot by a cop. Something tells me you just wanted to lay hyperboles down in an unfair way and scuttle away. Locally, the border issue matters greatly to me and I feel a strong stance is both the moral, economic, and secure choice. We shouldn't incentivize people to make that terrible trip. The cartels make more money off of trafficking humans than drugs. Letting wall parts rust that are already paid for is a stupid move. Complete the wall, it works. It frees up agents to handle other areas and keep the cartels from smuggling and lets more people come in legally. All that being said, those issues aren't even on the table. Currently the important issues are the 1A and the 2A and the Democrats seem to HATE them, they vehemently support censorship and gun control for law abiding citizens. If you can't even support the first two amendments, how are you going to get my support?
- 542354234235 5y ago
  > Wanting secure voting is not restricting it. Which make it so weird that “secure” voting activities are targeted at specific types of legal voters, and are almost always accompanied with targeted efforts to remove the ability of those voters to meet requirements. Like restricting acceptable IDs and then closing a third of the locations to get those IDs, and they just happen to be majority areas for the other party [1]. It is also strange these efforts to “secure” voting can’t seem to show evidence of what they are securing against, and only seem to focus on tiny parts of the voting process that also have the effect of voter suppression. > Fighting for rights of the unborn is not a bad thing when you believe they are alive at a certain point before birth Which point? Since most abortions happen in the first 8 weeks. Only 1.3% of all abortions happen in the second half of pregnancy and are almost exclusively medically necessary for serious health reasons preformed on women that wanted the pregnancy. > (some people are fighting simply for abortion to be banned after birth) Who are they fighting against, since that isn’t legal in any state? >Antifa/BLM has done more damage and death in these past years of riots than anything the "right-wing extreme" has done in terms of body count and property damage. “Since 2015, right-wing extremists have been involved in 267 plots or attacks and 91 fatalities, the data shows. At the same time, attacks and plots ascribed to far-left views accounted for 66 incidents leading to 19 deaths.”[2] it is also passing strange that despite countless videotaped examples of police attacking, assaulting peaceful protestors exercising their right to protest, the only criminality you seem to care about the property damage. I think it could be argued that police acting above the rule of law and violently attacking people that criticize them might be a contributing factor to a riot. > Jan 6th, the only person who was killed was shot by a cop. Only one person was killed during the JFK assassination. Context is pretty important to what happened. An armed group of individuals breaching the Capitol Building filled with senior politicians, including the vice president, with the express purpose of preventing the transition of power by force is the context that is important. An attempted insurrection is not really on the same level as a burned up Arbys. You also seem to forget the police officer that was beaten to death with the American flag pole on the steps of the Capitol Building. > Letting wall parts rust that are already paid for is a stupid move. Complete the wall, it works. Walls at strategically placed locations based on evidence of crossings do actually work, which is why they had already been built. The current building of a wall across the entire border is a massive waste of money with no evidence of efficacy. > Currently the important issues are the 1A and the 2A and the Democrats seem to HATE them Weird how 1A protests against the police that were brutally and violently cracked down on by the police don’t seem to bother you, an actual 1A issue. I’d say the right to protest without the cops showing up in military cosplay and teargassing you is a pretty basic right. But what actual 1A issues are the democrats “HATING”? [1] https://www.governing.com/archive/alabama-demands-voter-id--then-closes-drivers-license-offices-in-clack-counties.html https://www.governing.com/archive/alabama-demands-voter-id--... [2] https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/interactive/2021/domestic-terrorism-data/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/interactive/20...
fallingknife 5y ago
Well the tacit support for right wing extremists is kind of bullshit, but I'll give you the rest. This is usually the kind of response I get. "But the Republicans..." and they're right. But I'll take all of that shit over the party that doesn't respect my first or 2nd amendment rights, openly advocates for racial discrimination, and is now asking for an increase in federal police powers over the Jan 6 riot. The Democrats have a real problem handling disagreement and open debate. The right, for all it's problems seems fine with it.
- nerdponx 5y ago
  The tacit support for right wing extremists is also entirely a red herring. If I look at the policy history of Republican vs Democrat governments dating back to Nixon, I see a lot more to dislike in the former than the latter, and I don't see a whole lot of change over time. The Democrats are having their very limp version of a Tea Party moment right now. Unlike the Republicans they fought it instead of embraced it. But that's not because they're dumber, it's because the extreme conservatism of the Tea Party was politically convenient for both parties, while leftism is politically inconvenient for both parties. It's all shit, but at least I support the shit that might eventually help people one day, and not the shit that actively promotes "for me but not for thee"-ism.
stuff4ben 5y ago
> I would prefer if you just abstained from voting, honestly. So it's your way or the highway huh? So much for freedom and all that other stuff in the Constitution.

throwaway292893 5y ago

Wanting secure voting is not restricting it. Fighting for rights of the unborn is not a bad thing when you believe they are alive at a certain point before birth (some people are fighting simply for abortion to be banned after birth). Antifa/BLM has done more damage and death in these past years of riots than anything the "right-wing extreme" has done in terms of body count and property damage. What right wing group and what event are you talking about? Jan 6th, the only person who was killed was shot by a cop. Something tells me you just wanted to lay hyperboles down in an unfair way and scuttle away. Locally, the border issue matters greatly to me and I feel a strong stance is both the moral, economic, and secure choice. We shouldn't incentivize people to make that terrible trip. The cartels make more money off of trafficking humans than drugs. Letting wall parts rust that are already paid for is a stupid move. Complete the wall, it works. It frees up agents to handle other areas and keep the cartels from smuggling and lets more people come in legally. All that being said, those issues aren't even on the table. Currently the important issues are the 1A and the 2A and the Democrats seem to HATE them, they vehemently support censorship and gun control for law abiding citizens. If you can't even support the first two amendments, how are you going to get my support?

542354234235 5y ago
> Wanting secure voting is not restricting it. Which make it so weird that “secure” voting activities are targeted at specific types of legal voters, and are almost always accompanied with targeted efforts to remove the ability of those voters to meet requirements. Like restricting acceptable IDs and then closing a third of the locations to get those IDs, and they just happen to be majority areas for the other party [1]. It is also strange these efforts to “secure” voting can’t seem to show evidence of what they are securing against, and only seem to focus on tiny parts of the voting process that also have the effect of voter suppression. > Fighting for rights of the unborn is not a bad thing when you believe they are alive at a certain point before birth Which point? Since most abortions happen in the first 8 weeks. Only 1.3% of all abortions happen in the second half of pregnancy and are almost exclusively medically necessary for serious health reasons preformed on women that wanted the pregnancy. > (some people are fighting simply for abortion to be banned after birth) Who are they fighting against, since that isn’t legal in any state? >Antifa/BLM has done more damage and death in these past years of riots than anything the "right-wing extreme" has done in terms of body count and property damage. “Since 2015, right-wing extremists have been involved in 267 plots or attacks and 91 fatalities, the data shows. At the same time, attacks and plots ascribed to far-left views accounted for 66 incidents leading to 19 deaths.”[2] it is also passing strange that despite countless videotaped examples of police attacking, assaulting peaceful protestors exercising their right to protest, the only criminality you seem to care about the property damage. I think it could be argued that police acting above the rule of law and violently attacking people that criticize them might be a contributing factor to a riot. > Jan 6th, the only person who was killed was shot by a cop. Only one person was killed during the JFK assassination. Context is pretty important to what happened. An armed group of individuals breaching the Capitol Building filled with senior politicians, including the vice president, with the express purpose of preventing the transition of power by force is the context that is important. An attempted insurrection is not really on the same level as a burned up Arbys. You also seem to forget the police officer that was beaten to death with the American flag pole on the steps of the Capitol Building. > Letting wall parts rust that are already paid for is a stupid move. Complete the wall, it works. Walls at strategically placed locations based on evidence of crossings do actually work, which is why they had already been built. The current building of a wall across the entire border is a massive waste of money with no evidence of efficacy. > Currently the important issues are the 1A and the 2A and the Democrats seem to HATE them Weird how 1A protests against the police that were brutally and violently cracked down on by the police don’t seem to bother you, an actual 1A issue. I’d say the right to protest without the cops showing up in military cosplay and teargassing you is a pretty basic right. But what actual 1A issues are the democrats “HATING”? [1] https://www.governing.com/archive/alabama-demands-voter-id--then-closes-drivers-license-offices-in-clack-counties.html https://www.governing.com/archive/alabama-demands-voter-id--... [2] https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/interactive/2021/domestic-terrorism-data/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/interactive/20...

fallingknife 5y ago

Well the tacit support for right wing extremists is kind of bullshit, but I'll give you the rest. This is usually the kind of response I get. "But the Republicans..." and they're right. But I'll take all of that shit over the party that doesn't respect my first or 2nd amendment rights, openly advocates for racial discrimination, and is now asking for an increase in federal police powers over the Jan 6 riot. The Democrats have a real problem handling disagreement and open debate. The right, for all it's problems seems fine with it.

nerdponx 5y ago
The tacit support for right wing extremists is also entirely a red herring. If I look at the policy history of Republican vs Democrat governments dating back to Nixon, I see a lot more to dislike in the former than the latter, and I don't see a whole lot of change over time. The Democrats are having their very limp version of a Tea Party moment right now. Unlike the Republicans they fought it instead of embraced it. But that's not because they're dumber, it's because the extreme conservatism of the Tea Party was politically convenient for both parties, while leftism is politically inconvenient for both parties. It's all shit, but at least I support the shit that might eventually help people one day, and not the shit that actively promotes "for me but not for thee"-ism.

stuff4ben 5y ago

> I would prefer if you just abstained from voting, honestly. So it's your way or the highway huh? So much for freedom and all that other stuff in the Constitution.