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OpenSUSE Leap 15.3

80 points by nix23 5y ago

stryan 5y ago
Release notes available at https://doc.opensuse.org/release-notes/x86_64/openSUSE/Leap/15.3/index.html https://doc.opensuse.org/release-notes/x86_64/openSUSE/Leap/... . The big thing with this release is Leap now uses the same binaries as SUSE Enterprise, giving better support options. A good CentOS replacement for those still looking.
- rubyist5eva 5y ago
  I can vouch for Leap being a great CentOS replacement. I switched to Suse around when Fedora 34 came out and I have turned into a huge fan. Converted my homelab to be completely Suse based and I have zero regrets.
- cesarb 5y ago
  > A good CentOS replacement for those still looking. Unless your company requires you to use Microsoft Defender for Endpoint on Linux (https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-365/security/defender-endpoint/microsoft-defender-endpoint-linux?view=o365-worldwide https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-365/security/defe...), which is supported on RHEL, CentOS, SLES, and a few others, but not openSUSE ("distributions [...] that are not explicitly listed are unsupported, even if they are derived from the officially supported distributions").
  - nix23 5y ago
    Leap 15.3 is build on SLES, and if you need support from Microsoft, you have lost already...not to mention a IT-Department who installs a Antivirus on a Linux endpoint...and probably forgot about the HID.
    - reddit_clone 5y ago
      I have always wondered how Microsoft and McAfee convinced people to install their stuff on linux servers ! What do they actually do, other than actually increasing attack vectors?
      - nix23 5y ago
        >actually increasing attack vectors That's the main-point of having a Antivirus :-) But if one needs to check for (windows) virus's do it on the file-server/email-server level and not on the linux endpoint, use something like selinux and a host intrusion detection system instead, it's just a waste of money and power to use a antivirus...even on a good maintained windows.
  - Arnavion 5y ago
    Yes, as a 10-year user of Tumbleweed, generally OpenSUSE is left behind when it comes to downloading binary packages from first-party sources. Even for the Microsoft software that "supports" OpenSUSE, historically that support was by expecting OpenSUSE users to use their RHEL packages which didn't always work well. [1] [2] (I don't know if the problems are still there, because I switched to the Docker image for `az` and stopped using `powershell`) [1]: https://github.com/PowerShell/PowerShell/issues/6184 https://github.com/PowerShell/PowerShell/issues/6184 [2]: https://github.com/Azure/azure-cli/issues/7523 https://github.com/Azure/azure-cli/issues/7523
- beermonster 5y ago
  Correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t 15.3 based on SUSE Linux Enterprise 15 SP3 and supported until December 2022? (I may be mis-understanding SUSE releases..). One of the things I liked about CentOS was not having to upgrade every x months/years.
  - stryan 5y ago
    Major Releases are supported for at least 3 years, but are officially supported until a successor is released. Minor releases are supported for 18 months. So that is a downside, it is not quite the support level of CentOS, albeit having a dedicated minor release support schedule is nice (For RHEL at least you are expected to update to the newest minor release unless you pay extra).
  - rubyist5eva 5y ago
    You still have to upgrade your CentOS machines to the interim point releases to maintain support don’t you? With CentOS version X.y becomes unsupported as soon as version X.y+1 is released, that’s why it got turned into Stream, so it was always getting updates instead of having dead periods where sometimes systems would go weeks or months without support from packages released in RHEL.
schmorptron 5y ago
You never hear much about OpenSuse or Suse, but whenever you do, users seem very happy with it. Is it just a perspective thing, or is there another reason why it isn't huge like Ubuntu or Fedora?
- rubyist5eva 5y ago
  I am a Suse convert and I advocate loudly for it mostly because you don’t hear much about it, so passion compensates for mindshare. Yast, Zypper, microos (a transactional update rolling spin) are all fantastic products and I’m a huge fan of Tumbleweed gaming systems because you get all of the newest updates for Mesa, Vulcan, etc....and because of the openQA system things are generally better tested than they are in Arch. Tumbleweed got Gnome 40 stable before Fedora 34 was released and it’s been rock solid for me since day 1. And updates are generally extremely safe because if an update breaks your system you can just rollback to a previous Btrfs snapshot with one command and a reboot, wait a bit and issues are fixed very quickly.
  - ragingrobot 5y ago
    > microos (a transactional update rolling spin) While it was intended for servers, if you set it up right it can be an openSuSE equivalent of Fedora Silverblue, even better if you prefer Plasma as I do. It takes a little work to get to an exact equivalent (IIRC toolbox had to be installed and some extra set up after install). Also to note, if you don't want a rolling version, Leap does offer a transactional server option in the installer.
    - rubyist5eva 5y ago
      Yes, I've tested out the Gnome version of their transactional-update based Desktop. It was a generally good experience but I remember having issues with certain packages and ended up going back to regular Tumbleweed, but I'm hopeful for the future as it's very close to what I want out of the box - will definitely give it another try the future. I'm using a transactional-update based leap server for a container host right now and it's been awesome - I just upgraded it to 15.3 and seems to be working just fine as well.
ognarb 5y ago
I'm an happy user of openSUSE tumbleweed. It's a very solid distro and if zypper is too slow for you, you can switch to dnf and it's work fine.
- oshanz 5y ago
  Compared to the dnf, zypper feels slow because it doesn't support parallel package download. If you have a good network bandwidth it might be on under utilized. I'm also a Tumbleweed user and when doing a dup of full rebuild slowness is more noticeable.
newdude116 5y ago
Great system but I got tired of RPM and switched to an Ubuntu based system
- rubyist5eva 5y ago
  What makes one “tired” of a package format?
  - newdude116 5y ago
    I do IT but I am not really a CS guy. Too many programs that I was not able to install due to dependency problems. This is rarely a problem under Ubuntu. But I admit that it has been ages that I moved away from SuSE. I will likely leave Ubuntu if snap becomes too common or the rule. By the way, SuSE does an IPO soon but the IPO price looks steep.
  - ragingrobot 5y ago
    Not PP, but the only thing I can figure as an end user is rpm does have a reputation for dependency hell, which is pretty much moot with front ends such as yum, dnf and zypper. I can see if I were a package maintainer I might have a different opinion, and get "tired" (more like "fed up", no pun intended) of a format. I only had to make my own packages once or twice when I was a Debian user, Debian packages seemed a chore, and I always resorted to using things like checkinstall and debhelper. With RPM, I don't hesitate to write a spec when I need a package of a piece of software not provided in the repos, and spec files are pretty easy to work with. (I tend to favor using packages over 'make install').
  - gopaz 5y ago
    If you package software you for sure can get tired of it :) But I would never switch to Deb, that's just a pain.
- shodan757 5y ago
  As a counterpoint, I experienced the exact opposite. I got tired of deb-based distros leaving me in package limbo if something went wrong. I'm sure there's an easy fix, or maybe the entire problem is fixed now, but I've been a very happy user of opensuse (and just suse before that) for a long time - well over 15 years now. I love their huge range of optional software repos. I can have a nice stable base system with only certain software bleeding edge.
unixhero 5y ago
Any hope for a PPC Big Endian build for my Apple Mac G5s?
- nix23 5y ago
  No, since Leap 15.3 uses SLES binary's.... But NetBSD would be the best match for your G5
- jayp1418 5y ago
  Check this out https://washbear.neocities.org/netbsd-macppc-install.html https://washbear.neocities.org/netbsd-macppc-install.html
didibus 5y ago
Leap and what I use Tumbleweed are great. I highly recommend it. I use them over Ubuntu as my desktop and laptops OS, it's been great all around.
- nix23 5y ago
  Tumbleweed is great for User-devices and Leap for Servers and "Enterprise"-Devices. It's a great combination.
- Arnavion 5y ago
  It also exists for the PinePhone. [1] [2] I'm looking forward to trying it when I receive it. [1]: https://en.opensuse.org/HCL:PinePhone https://en.opensuse.org/HCL:PinePhone [2]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCrGi8hsGhY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCrGi8hsGhY
COGlory 5y ago
In the past year I've deployed Leap on 5 different workstations and servers. Three of them with more complicated active directory logins, and pam_mount setups. I've also compiled and installed a variety of academic software that was otherwise challenging to get working on CentOS. Overall I'm very happy with Leap, and Yast makes some of the more complicated things a lot more straightforward.
gopaz 5y ago
For anyone into packaging and building software I can really recommend SUSEs open build service, https://openbuildservice.org https://openbuildservice.org It's really powerful. Checkout what opensuse is currently building here; https://build.opensuse.org/monitor https://build.opensuse.org/monitor
- usr1106 5y ago
  > Checkout what opensuse is currently building here Actually the service is completely open and cross-distro. Everybody can build anything for all major distros. In practice the majority is probably related to OpenSUSE. I have built packages for OpenSUSE, Ubuntu and Arch. Just for myself if I needed to patch or try out something or I needed something not available in the standard distro repos.

80 points by nix23 5y ago

Release notes available at https://doc.opensuse.org/release-notes/x86_64/openSUSE/Leap/15.3/index.html https://doc.opensuse.org/release-notes/x86_64/openSUSE/Leap/... . The big thing with this release is Leap now uses the same binaries as SUSE Enterprise, giving better support options. A good CentOS replacement for those still looking.

rubyist5eva 5y ago
I can vouch for Leap being a great CentOS replacement. I switched to Suse around when Fedora 34 came out and I have turned into a huge fan. Converted my homelab to be completely Suse based and I have zero regrets.
cesarb 5y ago
> A good CentOS replacement for those still looking. Unless your company requires you to use Microsoft Defender for Endpoint on Linux (https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-365/security/defender-endpoint/microsoft-defender-endpoint-linux?view=o365-worldwide https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-365/security/defe...), which is supported on RHEL, CentOS, SLES, and a few others, but not openSUSE ("distributions [...] that are not explicitly listed are unsupported, even if they are derived from the officially supported distributions").
- nix23 5y ago
  Leap 15.3 is build on SLES, and if you need support from Microsoft, you have lost already...not to mention a IT-Department who installs a Antivirus on a Linux endpoint...and probably forgot about the HID.
  - reddit_clone 5y ago
    I have always wondered how Microsoft and McAfee convinced people to install their stuff on linux servers ! What do they actually do, other than actually increasing attack vectors?
    - nix23 5y ago
      >actually increasing attack vectors That's the main-point of having a Antivirus :-) But if one needs to check for (windows) virus's do it on the file-server/email-server level and not on the linux endpoint, use something like selinux and a host intrusion detection system instead, it's just a waste of money and power to use a antivirus...even on a good maintained windows.
- Arnavion 5y ago
  Yes, as a 10-year user of Tumbleweed, generally OpenSUSE is left behind when it comes to downloading binary packages from first-party sources. Even for the Microsoft software that "supports" OpenSUSE, historically that support was by expecting OpenSUSE users to use their RHEL packages which didn't always work well. [1] [2] (I don't know if the problems are still there, because I switched to the Docker image for `az` and stopped using `powershell`) [1]: https://github.com/PowerShell/PowerShell/issues/6184 https://github.com/PowerShell/PowerShell/issues/6184 [2]: https://github.com/Azure/azure-cli/issues/7523 https://github.com/Azure/azure-cli/issues/7523
beermonster 5y ago
Correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t 15.3 based on SUSE Linux Enterprise 15 SP3 and supported until December 2022? (I may be mis-understanding SUSE releases..). One of the things I liked about CentOS was not having to upgrade every x months/years.
- stryan 5y ago
  Major Releases are supported for at least 3 years, but are officially supported until a successor is released. Minor releases are supported for 18 months. So that is a downside, it is not quite the support level of CentOS, albeit having a dedicated minor release support schedule is nice (For RHEL at least you are expected to update to the newest minor release unless you pay extra).
- rubyist5eva 5y ago
  You still have to upgrade your CentOS machines to the interim point releases to maintain support don’t you? With CentOS version X.y becomes unsupported as soon as version X.y+1 is released, that’s why it got turned into Stream, so it was always getting updates instead of having dead periods where sometimes systems would go weeks or months without support from packages released in RHEL.

schmorptron 5y ago

You never hear much about OpenSuse or Suse, but whenever you do, users seem very happy with it. Is it just a perspective thing, or is there another reason why it isn't huge like Ubuntu or Fedora?

rubyist5eva 5y ago
I am a Suse convert and I advocate loudly for it mostly because you don’t hear much about it, so passion compensates for mindshare. Yast, Zypper, microos (a transactional update rolling spin) are all fantastic products and I’m a huge fan of Tumbleweed gaming systems because you get all of the newest updates for Mesa, Vulcan, etc....and because of the openQA system things are generally better tested than they are in Arch. Tumbleweed got Gnome 40 stable before Fedora 34 was released and it’s been rock solid for me since day 1. And updates are generally extremely safe because if an update breaks your system you can just rollback to a previous Btrfs snapshot with one command and a reboot, wait a bit and issues are fixed very quickly.
- ragingrobot 5y ago
  > microos (a transactional update rolling spin) While it was intended for servers, if you set it up right it can be an openSuSE equivalent of Fedora Silverblue, even better if you prefer Plasma as I do. It takes a little work to get to an exact equivalent (IIRC toolbox had to be installed and some extra set up after install). Also to note, if you don't want a rolling version, Leap does offer a transactional server option in the installer.
  - rubyist5eva 5y ago
    Yes, I've tested out the Gnome version of their transactional-update based Desktop. It was a generally good experience but I remember having issues with certain packages and ended up going back to regular Tumbleweed, but I'm hopeful for the future as it's very close to what I want out of the box - will definitely give it another try the future. I'm using a transactional-update based leap server for a container host right now and it's been awesome - I just upgraded it to 15.3 and seems to be working just fine as well.

ognarb 5y ago

I'm an happy user of openSUSE tumbleweed. It's a very solid distro and if zypper is too slow for you, you can switch to dnf and it's work fine.

oshanz 5y ago
Compared to the dnf, zypper feels slow because it doesn't support parallel package download. If you have a good network bandwidth it might be on under utilized. I'm also a Tumbleweed user and when doing a dup of full rebuild slowness is more noticeable.

newdude116 5y ago

Great system but I got tired of RPM and switched to an Ubuntu based system

rubyist5eva 5y ago
What makes one “tired” of a package format?
- newdude116 5y ago
  I do IT but I am not really a CS guy. Too many programs that I was not able to install due to dependency problems. This is rarely a problem under Ubuntu. But I admit that it has been ages that I moved away from SuSE. I will likely leave Ubuntu if snap becomes too common or the rule. By the way, SuSE does an IPO soon but the IPO price looks steep.
- ragingrobot 5y ago
  Not PP, but the only thing I can figure as an end user is rpm does have a reputation for dependency hell, which is pretty much moot with front ends such as yum, dnf and zypper. I can see if I were a package maintainer I might have a different opinion, and get "tired" (more like "fed up", no pun intended) of a format. I only had to make my own packages once or twice when I was a Debian user, Debian packages seemed a chore, and I always resorted to using things like checkinstall and debhelper. With RPM, I don't hesitate to write a spec when I need a package of a piece of software not provided in the repos, and spec files are pretty easy to work with. (I tend to favor using packages over 'make install').
- gopaz 5y ago
  If you package software you for sure can get tired of it :) But I would never switch to Deb, that's just a pain.
shodan757 5y ago
As a counterpoint, I experienced the exact opposite. I got tired of deb-based distros leaving me in package limbo if something went wrong. I'm sure there's an easy fix, or maybe the entire problem is fixed now, but I've been a very happy user of opensuse (and just suse before that) for a long time - well over 15 years now. I love their huge range of optional software repos. I can have a nice stable base system with only certain software bleeding edge.

unixhero 5y ago

Any hope for a PPC Big Endian build for my Apple Mac G5s?

nix23 5y ago
No, since Leap 15.3 uses SLES binary's.... But NetBSD would be the best match for your G5
jayp1418 5y ago
Check this out https://washbear.neocities.org/netbsd-macppc-install.html https://washbear.neocities.org/netbsd-macppc-install.html

didibus 5y ago

Leap and what I use Tumbleweed are great. I highly recommend it. I use them over Ubuntu as my desktop and laptops OS, it's been great all around.

nix23 5y ago
Tumbleweed is great for User-devices and Leap for Servers and "Enterprise"-Devices. It's a great combination.
Arnavion 5y ago
It also exists for the PinePhone. [1] [2] I'm looking forward to trying it when I receive it. [1]: https://en.opensuse.org/HCL:PinePhone https://en.opensuse.org/HCL:PinePhone [2]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCrGi8hsGhY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCrGi8hsGhY

COGlory 5y ago

In the past year I've deployed Leap on 5 different workstations and servers. Three of them with more complicated active directory logins, and pam_mount setups. I've also compiled and installed a variety of academic software that was otherwise challenging to get working on CentOS. Overall I'm very happy with Leap, and Yast makes some of the more complicated things a lot more straightforward.

gopaz 5y ago

For anyone into packaging and building software I can really recommend SUSEs open build service, https://openbuildservice.org https://openbuildservice.org It's really powerful. Checkout what opensuse is currently building here; https://build.opensuse.org/monitor https://build.opensuse.org/monitor

usr1106 5y ago
> Checkout what opensuse is currently building here Actually the service is completely open and cross-distro. Everybody can build anything for all major distros. In practice the majority is probably related to OpenSUSE. I have built packages for OpenSUSE, Ubuntu and Arch. Just for myself if I needed to patch or try out something or I needed something not available in the standard distro repos.