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WE voted for them. And voted for them again. If they don't show responsibility, and we vote them in again and again, it is not their fault, its ours. Stuff li

WE voted for them. And voted for them again. If they don't show responsibility, and we vote them in again and again, it is not their fault, its ours. Stuff like: fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me?

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ravenstine 5y ago
We did vote for them, and I absolutely agree. The one problem with that is the equation is not that simple. Most of our so-called leaders come from a completely different class than the rest of us, or were inducted into that class through their networks. They spend billions to make sure that everything goes their way. Unfortunately, you don't just have people voting for leaders; you have leaders pushing propaganda to influence thought patterns to make people vote for whomever has the most resources, and alternative voices are pushed off the stage before most people have a chance to change their minds. Voters are to blame, but those with the most power aren't absolved just because the voters give them their value. That value is also mined from the public through careful manipulation.
- j_wtf_all_taken 5y ago
  > Most of our so-called leaders come from a completely different class than the rest of us, or were inducted into that class through their networks. Yes. And some are not, and we could vote for them to give them more influence. I bet once that happens, even more of such people would come into politics. > Unfortunately, you don't just have people voting for leaders; you have leaders pushing propaganda to influence thought patterns to make people vote for whomever has the most resources, and alternative voices are pushed off the stage before most people have a chance to change their minds. Speaking for Germany (and I believe it is the same in many European countries), I don't see that. I don't see manipulation and propaganda on that level, and I do, for example, see quite a lot of good journalism providing good information. Of course there's wild theories going around on social media and influencing people in really bad ways, but that's just people telling lies to other people, not a lot of the classic elite/leaders there. > those with the most power aren't absolved just because the voters give them their value I absolutely agree. That's why its so depressing that we do not vote such people out.
8note 5y ago
Nah, we voted against somebody else

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ravenstine 5y ago

We did vote for them, and I absolutely agree. The one problem with that is the equation is not that simple. Most of our so-called leaders come from a completely different class than the rest of us, or were inducted into that class through their networks. They spend billions to make sure that everything goes their way. Unfortunately, you don't just have people voting for leaders; you have leaders pushing propaganda to influence thought patterns to make people vote for whomever has the most resources, and alternative voices are pushed off the stage before most people have a chance to change their minds. Voters are to blame, but those with the most power aren't absolved just because the voters give them their value. That value is also mined from the public through careful manipulation.

j_wtf_all_taken 5y ago
> Most of our so-called leaders come from a completely different class than the rest of us, or were inducted into that class through their networks. Yes. And some are not, and we could vote for them to give them more influence. I bet once that happens, even more of such people would come into politics. > Unfortunately, you don't just have people voting for leaders; you have leaders pushing propaganda to influence thought patterns to make people vote for whomever has the most resources, and alternative voices are pushed off the stage before most people have a chance to change their minds. Speaking for Germany (and I believe it is the same in many European countries), I don't see that. I don't see manipulation and propaganda on that level, and I do, for example, see quite a lot of good journalism providing good information. Of course there's wild theories going around on social media and influencing people in really bad ways, but that's just people telling lies to other people, not a lot of the classic elite/leaders there. > those with the most power aren't absolved just because the voters give them their value I absolutely agree. That's why its so depressing that we do not vote such people out.

8note 5y ago

Nah, we voted against somebody else