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Perhaps pick a side and try sticking to it? After enacting a set of EU specific rules, it feels a little entitled to expect that not only all foreign websites

Perhaps pick a side and try sticking to it? After enacting a set of EU specific rules, it feels a little entitled to expect that not only all foreign websites must follow them, but that they must also make their content available for free.

dmos62 5y ago
The other person hasn't made any requests or expressed entitlement, as far as I can tell. I think you might be venting.
- pc86 5y ago
  The idea that the EU can pass an EU law and expect foreign entities to comply with it at all is pretty entitled.
  - dmos62 5y ago
    Say you're from US. Would you like Asian imports to satisfy US consumer regulations? Say you have guests. Would you like them to take their muddy shoes off?
    - pc86 5y ago
      This is a bad faith argument barely worth a response, however, imports are on US soil. That's the difference. The EU thinks it can dictate to a non-EU company what to do on its non-EU servers because an EU citizen visited their website. It's ludicrous and laughable. The EU is 100% within its rights to regulate what happens within its borders to its heart's content, right up until the moment they purport to tell foreign entities what they have to do.
      - dmos62 5y ago
        My argument was not in bad faith and I think your tone is unwarranted. It's totally reasonable for me to negotiate with you on things you do that affect me. Same goes for regulatory bodies. GDPR is about data protection and the right to privacy. I won't argue with you if those things are a good idea, but you probably realise that saying that those aren't reasonable demands puts you in a minority.
        pc86 5y ago
        Jurisdictions are incredibly important in law, and the EU has no jurisdiction over US companies. If US companies want to do something that goes against GDPR, it's on the EU to prevent their citizens from accessing those companies' websites/apps. But once they are accessing that company's app, the fact that they're an EU citizen doesn't change the legal obligations of a US company whatsoever. Now, it makes sense for multinational corporations to have GDPR-related functionality since some of their assets are under EU jurisdiction and for them it's probably safer (if lazy) to do it across the board. But if you're not in the EU and you run a one-person SaaS app or something, you have zero reason to jump through any GDPR hurdles if you don't want to. The EU doesn't suddenly gain jurisdiction over your business processes because an EU citizen types your address into the URL bar.
        dmos62 5y ago
        What's a jurisdiction is a difficult and abstract topic, albeit an important one. I'm not a legal mind, so I'll leave that be. I am happy though that as a EU citizen my privacy is protected, to an extent, not only from actors based in EU, but outside it as well. Whatever legal framework that requires, I think that's a desirable and fair arrangement.
Chris2048 5y ago
Much like FATCA?

dmos62 5y ago

The other person hasn't made any requests or expressed entitlement, as far as I can tell. I think you might be venting.

pc86 5y ago
The idea that the EU can pass an EU law and expect foreign entities to comply with it at all is pretty entitled.
- dmos62 5y ago
  Say you're from US. Would you like Asian imports to satisfy US consumer regulations? Say you have guests. Would you like them to take their muddy shoes off?
  - pc86 5y ago
    This is a bad faith argument barely worth a response, however, imports are on US soil. That's the difference. The EU thinks it can dictate to a non-EU company what to do on its non-EU servers because an EU citizen visited their website. It's ludicrous and laughable. The EU is 100% within its rights to regulate what happens within its borders to its heart's content, right up until the moment they purport to tell foreign entities what they have to do.
    - dmos62 5y ago
      My argument was not in bad faith and I think your tone is unwarranted. It's totally reasonable for me to negotiate with you on things you do that affect me. Same goes for regulatory bodies. GDPR is about data protection and the right to privacy. I won't argue with you if those things are a good idea, but you probably realise that saying that those aren't reasonable demands puts you in a minority.
      - pc86 5y ago
        Jurisdictions are incredibly important in law, and the EU has no jurisdiction over US companies. If US companies want to do something that goes against GDPR, it's on the EU to prevent their citizens from accessing those companies' websites/apps. But once they are accessing that company's app, the fact that they're an EU citizen doesn't change the legal obligations of a US company whatsoever. Now, it makes sense for multinational corporations to have GDPR-related functionality since some of their assets are under EU jurisdiction and for them it's probably safer (if lazy) to do it across the board. But if you're not in the EU and you run a one-person SaaS app or something, you have zero reason to jump through any GDPR hurdles if you don't want to. The EU doesn't suddenly gain jurisdiction over your business processes because an EU citizen types your address into the URL bar.
        dmos62 5y ago
        What's a jurisdiction is a difficult and abstract topic, albeit an important one. I'm not a legal mind, so I'll leave that be. I am happy though that as a EU citizen my privacy is protected, to an extent, not only from actors based in EU, but outside it as well. Whatever legal framework that requires, I think that's a desirable and fair arrangement.

Chris2048 5y ago

Much like FATCA?