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> It might be more effective to stop giving people money and use it instead to create programs to provide better jobs and skill training. That's a false dichot

> It might be more effective to stop giving people money and use it instead to create programs to provide better jobs and skill training. That's a false dichotomy. There's no actual lever for "provide better jobs and skill training." In reality, it's either more money directed at the poors, or more directed towards the rich. And that's how people vote. "Better jobs and skill training" means "give it to the rich so they can make the poors think they're doing something for them."

hallway_monitor 5y ago
Maybe this is true but I hope not. I'm specifically thinking of trade schools etc where people can prepare for a career without the frills and cost of university. Honestly maybe a marketing campaign would be effective in letting people know that blue color work is honorable and needed and they can be productive and get a job that will support them and their family without having to go to Yale. I really like what Mike Rowe has to say about this issue.
- madcows 5y ago
  > blue color work is honorable and needed and they can be productive and get a job that will support them and their family Honorable? Maybe. Able to support a family? Not without a secondary income from a spouse. And who's looking after the kids at that point? I hope you also have extended family that are willing and able to help, otherwise that's not much of a family.
  - sigstoat 5y ago
    > > blue color work is honorable and needed and they can be productive and get a job that will support them and their family > Able to support a family? Not without a secondary income from a spouse. now i suspect that you simply don't know anyone who does blue collar work. can all blue collar work support a family easily? no, but neither can all white collar work.
    - madcow2 5y ago
      > now i suspect that you simply don't know anyone who does blue collar work. Incorrect. HVAC, plumbing, elevator repair, landscaping, painting... These are all careers in my family. My dad was the only white collar of four brothers. Grandpa was AC/Refrigerator repairman.

hallway_monitor 5y ago

Maybe this is true but I hope not. I'm specifically thinking of trade schools etc where people can prepare for a career without the frills and cost of university. Honestly maybe a marketing campaign would be effective in letting people know that blue color work is honorable and needed and they can be productive and get a job that will support them and their family without having to go to Yale. I really like what Mike Rowe has to say about this issue.

madcows 5y ago
> blue color work is honorable and needed and they can be productive and get a job that will support them and their family Honorable? Maybe. Able to support a family? Not without a secondary income from a spouse. And who's looking after the kids at that point? I hope you also have extended family that are willing and able to help, otherwise that's not much of a family.
- sigstoat 5y ago
  > > blue color work is honorable and needed and they can be productive and get a job that will support them and their family > Able to support a family? Not without a secondary income from a spouse. now i suspect that you simply don't know anyone who does blue collar work. can all blue collar work support a family easily? no, but neither can all white collar work.
  - madcow2 5y ago
    > now i suspect that you simply don't know anyone who does blue collar work. Incorrect. HVAC, plumbing, elevator repair, landscaping, painting... These are all careers in my family. My dad was the only white collar of four brothers. Grandpa was AC/Refrigerator repairman.