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If we cared about the environment we would just stop buying coffee, chocolate and bananas.

ClumsyPilot 5y ago
Exhibit A demonstrating how climate lobby has abysmally failed in educating the public. Buying bananas has no relevance to climate. Minimise eating meat, minimise use of cars and planes, and get a green energy supplier. That cuts your carbon footprint by half (depending where you are and what you do) Other measures don't do much
- nob0dyasked 5y ago
  Stop breathing and that will reduce C02 emissions! That's the most important thing in life!
- alva 5y ago
  > Buying bananas has no relevance to climate Can you explain why? All the bananas in my UK supermarket are flown from Africa. > minimise use of cars and planes
  - ClumsyPilot 5y ago
    Sorry, should have included the link and explanation: basically growing food is energy intensive, but transporting food by ship is actually very efficient. This results in a paradox where locally grown food, if it needs additional lights, spraying, ploughing, etc. is worse for the environment than food grown in perfect climage and transported to you. https://freakonomics.com/2011/11/14/the-inefficiency-of-local-food/ https://freakonomics.com/2011/11/14/the-inefficiency-of-loca...
    - PeterisP 5y ago
      Some sources e.g. http://www.fao.org/world-banana-forum/projects/good-practices/carbon-footprint/en/ http://www.fao.org/world-banana-forum/projects/good-practice... assert that ~2/3 of banana GHG footprint is caused by transportation and storage, including things like refrigeration on ship. It's probably still more efficient (both money-wise and GHG-wise) than growing bananas locally in UK; now that would need a lot of extra energy; but on the other hand it would be more efficient to eat food that normally grows locally in your climate instead of bananas.
      - ClumsyPilot 5y ago
        Ofcourse that's true, but no-one is (or at least should be) eating multiple kilos of bananas, coffee and chocolate. They are not a staple food like meat and potatoes. All I am trying to say is that in the total carbon footprint of a person, they account for a miniscule part of the whole, and that things like a well insulated house, transport, etc. will be vastly more important
- JohnWhigham 5y ago
  Eating less meat won't do anything, it's a fruitless endeavor that only makes vegetarians/vegans feel morally superior. Everyone in the US could stop eating meat, and it would only reduce emissions by a couple percentage points. Focus on reducing fossil fuel usage.
  - ClumsyPilot 5y ago
    I dont know why you have an axe to grind with vegans, but eating meat causes massive amount of carbon, this is well researched http://shrinkthatfootprint.com/food-carbon-footprint-diet http://shrinkthatfootprint.com/food-carbon-footprint-diet
    - JohnWhigham 5y ago
      YT channel What I've Learned goes in-depth into inflated carbon footprints like these and can explain it more concise than I can. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGG-A80Tl5g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGG-A80Tl5g
      - bhelkey 5y ago
        The author summarizes their video's main points: >(1) The proposed effects on GHG emissions if people went meatless are overblown. >(2) The claims about livestock’s water usage are misleading. >(3) The claims about livestock’s usage of human edible feed are overblown. >(4) The claims about livestock’s land use are misleading. >(5) We should be fixing food waste, not trying to cut meat out of the equation. www.patreon.com/posts/51285771
        JohnWhigham 5y ago
        Holy shit, I had no idea he went to this level of detail to refute criticisms on his video. My respect grows for him every day.
  - dieortin 5y ago
    That’s not true. I’m no vegetarian, but meat production is extremely inefficient and polluting. It’s not about anyone feeling superior.
- titzer 5y ago
  > Other measures don't do much Don't have children.

Exhibit A demonstrating how climate lobby has abysmally failed in educating the public. Buying bananas has no relevance to climate. Minimise eating meat, minimise use of cars and planes, and get a green energy supplier. That cuts your carbon footprint by half (depending where you are and what you do) Other measures don't do much

nob0dyasked 5y ago
Stop breathing and that will reduce C02 emissions! That's the most important thing in life!
alva 5y ago
> Buying bananas has no relevance to climate Can you explain why? All the bananas in my UK supermarket are flown from Africa. > minimise use of cars and planes
- ClumsyPilot 5y ago
  Sorry, should have included the link and explanation: basically growing food is energy intensive, but transporting food by ship is actually very efficient. This results in a paradox where locally grown food, if it needs additional lights, spraying, ploughing, etc. is worse for the environment than food grown in perfect climage and transported to you. https://freakonomics.com/2011/11/14/the-inefficiency-of-local-food/ https://freakonomics.com/2011/11/14/the-inefficiency-of-loca...
  - PeterisP 5y ago
    Some sources e.g. http://www.fao.org/world-banana-forum/projects/good-practices/carbon-footprint/en/ http://www.fao.org/world-banana-forum/projects/good-practice... assert that ~2/3 of banana GHG footprint is caused by transportation and storage, including things like refrigeration on ship. It's probably still more efficient (both money-wise and GHG-wise) than growing bananas locally in UK; now that would need a lot of extra energy; but on the other hand it would be more efficient to eat food that normally grows locally in your climate instead of bananas.
    - ClumsyPilot 5y ago
      Ofcourse that's true, but no-one is (or at least should be) eating multiple kilos of bananas, coffee and chocolate. They are not a staple food like meat and potatoes. All I am trying to say is that in the total carbon footprint of a person, they account for a miniscule part of the whole, and that things like a well insulated house, transport, etc. will be vastly more important
JohnWhigham 5y ago
Eating less meat won't do anything, it's a fruitless endeavor that only makes vegetarians/vegans feel morally superior. Everyone in the US could stop eating meat, and it would only reduce emissions by a couple percentage points. Focus on reducing fossil fuel usage.
- ClumsyPilot 5y ago
  I dont know why you have an axe to grind with vegans, but eating meat causes massive amount of carbon, this is well researched http://shrinkthatfootprint.com/food-carbon-footprint-diet http://shrinkthatfootprint.com/food-carbon-footprint-diet
  - JohnWhigham 5y ago
    YT channel What I've Learned goes in-depth into inflated carbon footprints like these and can explain it more concise than I can. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGG-A80Tl5g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGG-A80Tl5g
    - bhelkey 5y ago
      The author summarizes their video's main points: >(1) The proposed effects on GHG emissions if people went meatless are overblown. >(2) The claims about livestock’s water usage are misleading. >(3) The claims about livestock’s usage of human edible feed are overblown. >(4) The claims about livestock’s land use are misleading. >(5) We should be fixing food waste, not trying to cut meat out of the equation. www.patreon.com/posts/51285771
      - JohnWhigham 5y ago
        Holy shit, I had no idea he went to this level of detail to refute criticisms on his video. My respect grows for him every day.
- dieortin 5y ago
  That’s not true. I’m no vegetarian, but meat production is extremely inefficient and polluting. It’s not about anyone feeling superior.
titzer 5y ago
> Other measures don't do much Don't have children.