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> On a scale from Tesla Autopilot (A) to Juicero (J) I would give it G. It honestly took me a bit to figure out which end of that scale was supposed to be whic

> On a scale from Tesla Autopilot (A) to Juicero (J) I would give it G. It honestly took me a bit to figure out which end of that scale was supposed to be which. I had to remember what Juicero was first, because IMO Tesla Autopilot is a weird thing to use for the high end of the scale given all the problems it has.

xnx 5y ago
Truly. Though stupid, Juicero never killed anyone.
- brianwawok 5y ago
  Juicero Also never saved anyone by bringing a car to a gentle stop after the driver fell asleep.
  - not_math 5y ago
    It's not okay to over hype a product and calling an autopilot when it's really just a glorified automatic break system and steering system. This caused people to die, and similar story doesn't seem to happen with other car brand with similar feature in their car (automatic breaking and automatic stearing in traffic).
    - atatatat 5y ago
      > It's not okay to over-hype a product and call it an autopilot, when it's really just a glorified automatic brake and steering system. > This caused people to die; similar stories don't seem to happen with other car brands with similar features (automatic braking, and automatic steering in traffic).
      - kbenson 5y ago
        The difference being called out is not one of capability, but of perception. People don't go to sleep on purpose behind something like "enhanced cruise control", but apparently if you call it autopilot then some people feel fine doing just that (or riding in the back seat, for example).
    - brianwawok 5y ago
      There are plenty of warning messages about what exactly AP does and does not do. It requires your hands on the wheel. The people who have "died" using AP, have bought defeater devices on eBay and ignored the warnings. No different than putting a rock on your gas pedal and being sad if something bad happens. Personal responsibility is a thing. You can't just read the name of something and decide how it works, without reading the manual or the warnings. None of this is meant as an attack. If you really haven't read he Tesla manual, give it a read. AP starts on page 89: https://www.tesla.com/sites/default/files/model_y_owners_manual_north_america_en.pdf https://www.tesla.com/sites/default/files/model_y_owners_man... To me, it is clear on what it can and cannot do, and how to act.
    - kbenson 5y ago
      Autopilot is a horrible name. Not because it's not accurate, as it is pretty damn accurate to what autopilot means in the real world for planes, but because the general populace has a very poor understanding of what autopilot in planes actually is, and plays into that misunderstanding in a dangerous way.
  - nkrisc 5y ago
    So it's a tossup: either Autopilot will save you or kill you.
    - toomuchtodo 5y ago
      There have been six deaths while Tesla drivers were using Autopilot. Flesh eating bacteria infections from manicure stations have killed more people. HNs obsession with Autopilot deaths is ridiculous. https://www.tesladeaths.com/ https://www.tesladeaths.com/
      - abdabab 5y ago
        Is that true though? Roughly 200 people gets infection from flesh eating bacterias in USA every year but I never heard anyone dying after getting it from manicure station. https://www.healthline.com/health-news/do-you-need-to-worry-about-flesh-eating-bacteria https://www.healthline.com/health-news/do-you-need-to-worry-...
        toomuchtodo 5y ago
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necrotizing_fasciitis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necrotizing_fasciitis Mortality rate is 20%-40%, climbing with delay in treatment. In my above comment, I note that Autopilot has been involved in six deaths total, which is extremely low compared to other causes of death over the same number of years it’s been available to drivers. Another example is E Coli from contaminated lettuce has killed the same number of people (and sickened thousands more) than Autopilot use over a similar amount of time. Sharks kill 50~ people per year.
    - Moodles 5y ago
      The Earth will explode or not in the next second, it doesn't mean they're equally likely.

xnx 5y ago

Truly. Though stupid, Juicero never killed anyone.

brianwawok 5y ago
Juicero Also never saved anyone by bringing a car to a gentle stop after the driver fell asleep.
- not_math 5y ago
  It's not okay to over hype a product and calling an autopilot when it's really just a glorified automatic break system and steering system. This caused people to die, and similar story doesn't seem to happen with other car brand with similar feature in their car (automatic breaking and automatic stearing in traffic).
  - atatatat 5y ago
    > It's not okay to over-hype a product and call it an autopilot, when it's really just a glorified automatic brake and steering system. > This caused people to die; similar stories don't seem to happen with other car brands with similar features (automatic braking, and automatic steering in traffic).
    - kbenson 5y ago
      The difference being called out is not one of capability, but of perception. People don't go to sleep on purpose behind something like "enhanced cruise control", but apparently if you call it autopilot then some people feel fine doing just that (or riding in the back seat, for example).
  - brianwawok 5y ago
    There are plenty of warning messages about what exactly AP does and does not do. It requires your hands on the wheel. The people who have "died" using AP, have bought defeater devices on eBay and ignored the warnings. No different than putting a rock on your gas pedal and being sad if something bad happens. Personal responsibility is a thing. You can't just read the name of something and decide how it works, without reading the manual or the warnings. None of this is meant as an attack. If you really haven't read he Tesla manual, give it a read. AP starts on page 89: https://www.tesla.com/sites/default/files/model_y_owners_manual_north_america_en.pdf https://www.tesla.com/sites/default/files/model_y_owners_man... To me, it is clear on what it can and cannot do, and how to act.
  - kbenson 5y ago
    Autopilot is a horrible name. Not because it's not accurate, as it is pretty damn accurate to what autopilot means in the real world for planes, but because the general populace has a very poor understanding of what autopilot in planes actually is, and plays into that misunderstanding in a dangerous way.
- nkrisc 5y ago
  So it's a tossup: either Autopilot will save you or kill you.
  - toomuchtodo 5y ago
    There have been six deaths while Tesla drivers were using Autopilot. Flesh eating bacteria infections from manicure stations have killed more people. HNs obsession with Autopilot deaths is ridiculous. https://www.tesladeaths.com/ https://www.tesladeaths.com/
    - abdabab 5y ago
      Is that true though? Roughly 200 people gets infection from flesh eating bacterias in USA every year but I never heard anyone dying after getting it from manicure station. https://www.healthline.com/health-news/do-you-need-to-worry-about-flesh-eating-bacteria https://www.healthline.com/health-news/do-you-need-to-worry-...
      - toomuchtodo 5y ago
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necrotizing_fasciitis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necrotizing_fasciitis Mortality rate is 20%-40%, climbing with delay in treatment. In my above comment, I note that Autopilot has been involved in six deaths total, which is extremely low compared to other causes of death over the same number of years it’s been available to drivers. Another example is E Coli from contaminated lettuce has killed the same number of people (and sickened thousands more) than Autopilot use over a similar amount of time. Sharks kill 50~ people per year.
  - Moodles 5y ago
    The Earth will explode or not in the next second, it doesn't mean they're equally likely.