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This is awesome, under what conditions would Brexit be a) possible and b) reversed in the Swiss model?

by andy_ppp 5y ago

rlt 5y ago
Switzerland would have to be part of the EU, for one.
- varajelle 5y ago
  Assuming the UK was using the Swiss model.
  - soco 5y ago
    The Swiss negotiated for 7 years a general agreement with the EU (and failed at it in the end) so I would say no, the UK wasn't using the Swiss model.
pjc50 5y ago
You can actually see the same dynamic playing out with Swiss access to the EEA: https://www.euronews.com/2021/05/27/what-s-the-future-of-eu-swiss-relations-now-talks-have-collapsed https://www.euronews.com/2021/05/27/what-s-the-future-of-eu-... The debate doesn't seem to be being carried out in quite such a stupid way as it was in the UK, but everyone is clear that it's the public objection to immigrants that is the flashpoint.
- exoque 5y ago
  How did you get that from the article? The agreements in place already allow immigration from eu countries, not a lot would have changed in this regard. The main problem is the further erosion of swiss direct democratic rights and sovereignty.
tomp 5y ago
No, Brexit isn’t possible in Switzerland. People voted for what is essentially Brexit, but the politicians refused to implement it. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Swiss_immigration_initiative https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Swiss_immigration_initi...
- soco 5y ago
  Actually it is implemented as we speak, after years of tough negotiations, because that's the beauty of Swiss initiatives, they give the tone but not the legal terms - ensuring there's negotiation room, both internal and external. So depending on your personal definition it is succeeding or failing, but the fact is it is happening, there's no doubt about it. It's also not a "Brexit" because Switzerland never was part of the EU so using that name makes the discussion highly confusing for an outsider.
andy_ppp 5y ago
EDIT: I can’t add to my answer above but the point is to ask about how in the Swiss direct democracy model something as complicated as Brexit would have been handled (same? different?). I’m well aware Switzerland is not part of the EU. Apologies this wasn’t clear!

This is awesome, under what conditions would Brexit be a) possible and b) reversed in the Swiss model?

rlt 5y ago

Switzerland would have to be part of the EU, for one.

varajelle 5y ago
Assuming the UK was using the Swiss model.
- soco 5y ago
  The Swiss negotiated for 7 years a general agreement with the EU (and failed at it in the end) so I would say no, the UK wasn't using the Swiss model.

pjc50 5y ago

You can actually see the same dynamic playing out with Swiss access to the EEA: https://www.euronews.com/2021/05/27/what-s-the-future-of-eu-swiss-relations-now-talks-have-collapsed https://www.euronews.com/2021/05/27/what-s-the-future-of-eu-... The debate doesn't seem to be being carried out in quite such a stupid way as it was in the UK, but everyone is clear that it's the public objection to immigrants that is the flashpoint.

exoque 5y ago
How did you get that from the article? The agreements in place already allow immigration from eu countries, not a lot would have changed in this regard. The main problem is the further erosion of swiss direct democratic rights and sovereignty.

tomp 5y ago

No, Brexit isn’t possible in Switzerland. People voted for what is essentially Brexit, but the politicians refused to implement it. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Swiss_immigration_initiative https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Swiss_immigration_initi...

soco 5y ago
Actually it is implemented as we speak, after years of tough negotiations, because that's the beauty of Swiss initiatives, they give the tone but not the legal terms - ensuring there's negotiation room, both internal and external. So depending on your personal definition it is succeeding or failing, but the fact is it is happening, there's no doubt about it. It's also not a "Brexit" because Switzerland never was part of the EU so using that name makes the discussion highly confusing for an outsider.

andy_ppp 5y ago

EDIT: I can’t add to my answer above but the point is to ask about how in the Swiss direct democracy model something as complicated as Brexit would have been handled (same? different?). I’m well aware Switzerland is not part of the EU. Apologies this wasn’t clear!