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But it's artificial to a point: how can everyone be financially independent and retire early yet provide no tradable work? Someone has to grow the soils, cook

by xwolfi 5y ago

But it's artificial to a point: how can everyone be financially independent and retire early yet provide no tradable work? Someone has to grow the soils, cook the pizza, maintain the electric grid, wipe the asses of the elders, etc. In a way, if more people manage to find ways to retire early and forever, others will find ways to stop this bliss and make them work for them, and it sounds fair no?

cpursley 5y ago
There's always going to be people who spend their entire paycheck and then some before it even hits their account.
oreally 5y ago
> others will find ways to stop this bliss and make them work for them, and it sounds fair no? This statement assumes humans love having control over others and keeping them in a system of pseudo-slavery. But if you look at it closely humans are the faulty, unreliable pieces and if you can get them out of your business's equation it's hugely beneficial. And don't forget automation which seems to be looming closer and closer as time goes on. Theoretically, this results in fewer jobs for the non FI-ed people to compete for. You need something to assure their future least they become restless on the streets and adding to social unrest (that preferably doesn't include some kind of bullshit job). Food, medicine and affordable housing for a long part of their lives within a few years of working and saving would be a good start. The UBI talk is something to take note of too.
- donkeyd 5y ago
  > don't forget automation which seems to be looming closer and closer as time goes on. Theoretically, this results in fewer jobs for the non FI-ed people to compete for This has been the consensus since the assembly line was invented. Yet, there's new jobs popping up all the time that still require people to do them. People used to work in the fields, then they moved to the factories, now they're in services. I have no clue what's next, but I don't think it's nothing.
ivanche 5y ago
Just because one is retired, doesn't mean they stopped working completely and they're just partying non-stop. If you're always on vacation you're never on vacation. Being retired means one chooses how much to work, with whom, for how long etc.

by xwolfi 5y ago

cpursley 5y ago

There's always going to be people who spend their entire paycheck and then some before it even hits their account.

oreally 5y ago

> others will find ways to stop this bliss and make them work for them, and it sounds fair no? This statement assumes humans love having control over others and keeping them in a system of pseudo-slavery. But if you look at it closely humans are the faulty, unreliable pieces and if you can get them out of your business's equation it's hugely beneficial. And don't forget automation which seems to be looming closer and closer as time goes on. Theoretically, this results in fewer jobs for the non FI-ed people to compete for. You need something to assure their future least they become restless on the streets and adding to social unrest (that preferably doesn't include some kind of bullshit job). Food, medicine and affordable housing for a long part of their lives within a few years of working and saving would be a good start. The UBI talk is something to take note of too.

donkeyd 5y ago
> don't forget automation which seems to be looming closer and closer as time goes on. Theoretically, this results in fewer jobs for the non FI-ed people to compete for This has been the consensus since the assembly line was invented. Yet, there's new jobs popping up all the time that still require people to do them. People used to work in the fields, then they moved to the factories, now they're in services. I have no clue what's next, but I don't think it's nothing.

ivanche 5y ago

Just because one is retired, doesn't mean they stopped working completely and they're just partying non-stop. If you're always on vacation you're never on vacation. Being retired means one chooses how much to work, with whom, for how long etc.