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I struggle to see how considering these terrorist acts or acts of war is a "bright side."

ineedasername 5y ago
Is the prospect that we might finally take meaningful action not a bright side? That it will be impossible to ignore? You are unimaginative if you interpret "bright" as "a good thing". Of course things are getting worse. But we are unfortunately in a situation where things may need to get worse before we take action to make it better. It is not unreasonable to hope that we have finally hit that point, it is the first step towards positive actions, and that is the brighter side if a descent into a deeper and deeper hole is to be avoided. It's easy to post a pithy critical response to a comment. Deciding to take the time to understand the subtlety involved takes more time. Maybe next time you should keep in mind the community guidelines that set the tone for how to interpret comments and make substantive replies that are not simply low-effort one-liners. Especially on my comment that fully acknowledges the crap we're in but sees the latest development as a possible catalyst for change. It's easy to criticize, it's much harder, but more productive, to engage in an actual conversation. I'm sorry you chose the low road, many on HN are better than that.
- boomboomsubban 5y ago
  I still don't see it. I can't imagine "meaningful action" as anything except "mass slaughter" or "slow starvation." Yes, these kinds of economic attacks are unfortunate, but this kind of retaliation puts others in a far deeper hole than it gets us anywhere near. Plus, would you be happy if other countries took such retaliatory action for American linked cyber attacks? On your second part, I was hoping to clarify your point as maybe you had some other reason it was the "bright side." Additionally, please refrain from personal attacks.
  - ineedasername 5y ago
    I disagree, but you still make good points, which I appreciate. And I apologize for the "imagination" remark: not only was it not necessary, it's the type of comment very likely to result in significantly less productive conversation. Usually I am hyper careful in how I address solely the merits of an argument rather than an emotional response or ad hominem comment. I'll say-- not as an excuse, but an explanation that does not excuse the comment-- the fact that I was winding down after working without sleep into the mid a.m. hours, and my self-reflection was clearly lacking. I'll do better, and again I am sorry for what I said.

Is the prospect that we might finally take meaningful action not a bright side? That it will be impossible to ignore? You are unimaginative if you interpret "bright" as "a good thing". Of course things are getting worse. But we are unfortunately in a situation where things may need to get worse before we take action to make it better. It is not unreasonable to hope that we have finally hit that point, it is the first step towards positive actions, and that is the brighter side if a descent into a deeper and deeper hole is to be avoided. It's easy to post a pithy critical response to a comment. Deciding to take the time to understand the subtlety involved takes more time. Maybe next time you should keep in mind the community guidelines that set the tone for how to interpret comments and make substantive replies that are not simply low-effort one-liners. Especially on my comment that fully acknowledges the crap we're in but sees the latest development as a possible catalyst for change. It's easy to criticize, it's much harder, but more productive, to engage in an actual conversation. I'm sorry you chose the low road, many on HN are better than that.

boomboomsubban 5y ago
I still don't see it. I can't imagine "meaningful action" as anything except "mass slaughter" or "slow starvation." Yes, these kinds of economic attacks are unfortunate, but this kind of retaliation puts others in a far deeper hole than it gets us anywhere near. Plus, would you be happy if other countries took such retaliatory action for American linked cyber attacks? On your second part, I was hoping to clarify your point as maybe you had some other reason it was the "bright side." Additionally, please refrain from personal attacks.
- ineedasername 5y ago
  I disagree, but you still make good points, which I appreciate. And I apologize for the "imagination" remark: not only was it not necessary, it's the type of comment very likely to result in significantly less productive conversation. Usually I am hyper careful in how I address solely the merits of an argument rather than an emotional response or ad hominem comment. I'll say-- not as an excuse, but an explanation that does not excuse the comment-- the fact that I was winding down after working without sleep into the mid a.m. hours, and my self-reflection was clearly lacking. I'll do better, and again I am sorry for what I said.