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I am of the opinion that many people have experienced childhood trauma in one form or another, and generally speaking few people want to admit to or have grown

• hirako2000 5y ago
  I think we are talking about a link that can be observed on some statistical analysis done on survey results from samples without blinds. Pointing out the link isn't quite enough to publish anything, so we add some of the buzzwords that trend well, RNA here and there usually satisfies demand. It doesn't demonstrate anything but it justifies research spendings, salary and stipends of those two researchers groups, the universities also got to be mentioned, given what they are going through it may help acquire more leads to occupy next terms seats.
• thedmstdmstdmst 5y ago
  Most people start from a place where they say "I am completely normal and everything I do is normal" and reason from there. For a person to acknowledge their trauma they must be wanting to be free of it and at least be able to see them themselves for who they truly are. Your idea that most people have experienced trauma growing up of some form, but few want to admit to such really does not surprise me. What is with the "particular type of trauma" idea? While they are not the same at all I don't see the value in any hierarchy of trauma. Trauma is an individual's inability to cope with an experience.
  • Red_Leaves_Flyy 5y ago
    Trauma is categorized to cater the treatment to the wound.
    • thedmstdmstdmst 5y ago
      Yes, certainly.
• bawolff 5y ago
  I imagine one could make an objective survey (has X happened to you) and then correlate it with later life outcomes. Presumably someone has, since it seems like an obvious way to measure the effect of trauma.
  • ntlk 5y ago
    This objective survey is called Adverse Childhood Experience and has been statistically correlated to problems in later life. https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2015/03/02/387007941/take-the-ace-quiz-and-learn-what-it-does-and-doesnt-mean?t=1622618242587 https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2015/03/02/3870079...
• faeyanpiraat 5y ago
  I haven’t yet read the study but one thing I would assume should have great effects is: Anything that causes long lasting ptsd like simptoms, where you are constantly afraid, or have triggers which make you afraid. This exposes you to a lot of adrenaline and other who-knows-what hormones in a period where your brain is still in heavy development. I have little idea about these things, apart from the fact that I had a traumatic childhood, and developed MS, which is a disease that also has some link with what happens to you before the age 15 (how far you live to the equator therefore in theory how D3 deficient you grow up before the age 15 is significantly correlated with the chance of developing the disease)
  • sonofhans 5y ago
    That's fascinating. I've never read about a childhood trauma-MS link before. I experienced the former and still have the latter. Have you read about this anywhere? It sounds like you've thought about it, anyway. What else do you think?
    • faeyanpiraat 5y ago
      This is just a random thought I cannot back it with anything. Scientists have a hard time figuring out the cause, maybe because the slow vague onset of the disease? When I first had my symptoms which made diadnosis possible I already had a couple of demyelinated lesions. Did they show up the days before? Or years ago? Who knows. You cannot do daily mri scans of a large enough population to catch even 1 patient at exactly the beginning of their disease, and even if you catch it, how can you gather useful information non-invasively? Anyways, I try reading scientific papers, and avoid the overhyped “eat this to cure your MS” type articles. They are so confident in everything, but of the 100 of real studies I’ve looked at, almost none of them had any surefire way to slow disease progression, some of the findings even contradict popular belief. For example eating whole grains, drinking wine in moderation and drinking coffe may have a small positive effect, instead of cutting out all gluten. Or it might just be a currelation in a way that wine drinkers have a higher socioeconomical status, which they tried correcting for, but they missed some unknown factor anyway? Just try doing the regular healthy lifestyle; good food, some moderate excercise, no stress.. Because you can still get all the other lifestyle diseases ontop of MS as anyone else, and as we are more vulnerable we need to be more careful.
• mlang23 5y ago
  > Are we saying someone who had a loved one die before their time? I hope not. Death is something you have to learn to cope with at some point. If we call that already a trauma, I think we have a rather big problem. And I am saying this because I have experience with it. I had my father and my aunt die in their 30s, when I was around 13. That was unpleasant, but still from the "such is life" category.
  • voisin 5y ago
    Having your father die at such a young age is certainly considered to be traumatic but a lot depends on your feeling if safety and connection to another adult.
    • mlang23 5y ago
      I had almost no connection to my mother, so you might like to call it traumatic. However, I was not telling my whole story. The reality is, I have a disability since childhood, so I always had "more complicated" problems then death to deal with. Thats why I insist calling the death of a family member trauma is exaggregation. There are things in life which are far more problematic to deal with.
  • codingdave 5y ago
    We all experience trauma eventually. Death is one we'll all see. Saying it is not traumatic is unhelpful. Acknowledging that it is traumatic, and helping people out who are experiencing it for the first time is exactly how people "learn to cope with it".
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• newdude116 5y ago
  I think this is a serious question. I think everybody takes things differently. Genetics? Not everybody gets PTSD. So how you define "trauma"?
• Red_Leaves_Flyy 5y ago
  A common metric is the ACE test. Consider how many ACEs a child has experienced, over what time periods they occurred, and how their family responded to them. A child with many ACEs and a family that didn’t, couldn’t, or wouldn’t respond to these experiences is worse off than a kid whose family immediately took corrective action, generally. >Abuse includes physical, sexual, and emotional abuse in childhood. Household dysfunction includes growing up with domestic violence, substance abuse or mental illness in the home, parental divorce or separation, and incarceration. https://www.health.state.mn.us/docs/communities/ace/acereport.pdf https://www.health.state.mn.us/docs/communities/ace/acerepor... (PDF)
  • andruby 5y ago
    The pdf doesn't load here. I had to look it up, ACE stands for Adverse Childhood Experience. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adverse_childhood_experiences#Adverse_Childhood_Experiences_movement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adverse_childhood_experiences#...
    • Red_Leaves_Flyy 5y ago
      Sorry about that. The pdf does still load for me though.
      • justinclift 5y ago
        The PDF load here (Australia), if that's helpful, so it's not a broken link.
    • suifbwish 5y ago
      The other thing that tends to go unnoticed is that many people at a very young age experience the death of a dear loved one they were deeply bonded with. This can have profound and unimaginable effects on the stability of their psychology in ways that are poorly understood. It’s very possible for ones own internal primitive neural structures to permanently throw themselves completely out of chemical balance through self inflicted damage through stress mechanisms caused by the activity of these structure. The reason this is possible is because the most physiologically potent aspects of the limbic system develop well before the prefrontal and other more modern structures can completely solidify. Because these structures are grow slower and are more elaborate, the homeostasis necessary for their stable growth is much more delicate. There are likely periods of chemical vulnerability during development that can act as transformation pathways of the entire development of the advanced structures. They will continue to express their growth/maturation genes and develop in some way but it leads to a completely different operational configuration and also one that relies heavily on conceptual and even chemical aspects of the external environment for internal conceptual and chemical stability. The one of the main functions of limbic system is the main component in the fear/flight/fright mechanism. This system exists because its operation of generating chaotic action and bias of reaction has in some way granted its host a significant increased statistical advantage toward surviving and reproducing whereas, although it can make a big difference, the more advanced structures have not adapted the capability of continued existence as a species on its own. Natural selection favors whatever social genetic traits confer an increased rate of survival of an organism to reproductive maturity and then what personally governing traits lead the individual to reproduce. It is fair to presume that all traits of the human mind developed completely for only two purposes, to reproduce and to behave in ways that ensure your offsprings survival which unintentionally contributes to widespread survival advantage of humans outside ones family, increasing the chances that there will be similar individuals to confer a symmetrical advantage in return. Pretty much a cloud of increased likelihood for the species as a whole in that area to survive. Pretty much everything we think is important in society can be traced down the bias in the limbic systems chaos system
• coldtea 5y ago
  >I am of the opinion that many people have experienced childhood trauma in one form or another Especially in the irrelevant overblown form, nobody 50 years ago would even stoop down to mention as trauma...
  • teachingassist 5y ago
    > Especially in the irrelevant overblown form, nobody 50 years ago would even stoop down to mention as trauma... The Monty Python "Four Yorkshiremen" sketch is 53 years old, a parody of old men apparently exaggerating their traumas.
    • clevergadget 5y ago
      Yeah putting 50 years in prev comment just demonstrates out of touch. Hasn't updated his 'how long ago' numbers since 2000
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      • coldtea 5y ago
        If the parent's example was what I was talking about, then a "plus 20" years adjustment on my part wouldn't fix anything, since people have been doing the "four yorkshiremen" style thing not just 70 years ago, but since forever (and still do). But that (the parent's example) is not what I claimed people didn't do 50 years ago. If anything, it's the opposite. In the "four workshiremen" sketch they take pride in their traumas/harsh situations that they went through, and compete to exaggerate even greater traumatic/harsh situations. Today many people exaggreate irrelevant slights as traumas, and do so in order play the victim, not the tough survivor.
        • whydoibother 5y ago
          Nice cynical, cruel take. It says more about you that you believe people who speak about their trauma are only doing it to play victim. You ever wonder how trauma is passed through generations? Because of the premise you are saying: people in denial about a trauma they experienced. They assume the shitty experiences they had are normal and then repeat the same acts that were visited upon them. In my reading about cptsd during my counseling (uh oh, am I playing a victim?) one of the most common thoughts identified in childhood trauma is downplaying the severity and assuming it is common. That leads to people not seeking treatment. Try showing some compassion and assume good faith.
• cutemonster 5y ago
  > few people want to admit to or have grown up without tragedy. Did you indeed mean "without"? (Or did you mean "with", as in: "few people want to admit to have grown up with tragedy"?) (Not a native speaker, maybe I'm missing something) If so, I wonder, what are reasons people want to tell others that they grew up with tragedy? (I wonder what "tragedy" means in your text, eg an alcoholic parent or getting beaten or ... A grandparent died? Quite different things, the word can mean)