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Have you actually worked on real world Enterprise systems? It sounds to me as if you haven’t. Some of the posts above (from people who know what they are talkin

Have you actually worked on real world Enterprise systems? It sounds to me as if you haven’t. Some of the posts above (from people who know what they are talking about) might enlighten you.

rektide 5y ago
> Have you actually worked on real world Enterprise systems? It sounds to me as if you haven’t. boo I called out one part that I thought would be helpful & you show up & say thinking that means I don't know anything thing. this is ridiculous of you & unkind. it feels maximally ungenerous. I wasn't making a grand statement about the whole picture. wasn't trying to crack the whole iceberg. I called out one specific part. and you had to come & rain on me for offering my 2c. I'm tryin my to move towards a moment of finding some technical insight here. something technically nuanced & interesting that we can begin to say. i'm tired of most of the other replies, which cite the real world stakeholders, clients, legacy, politics & other real world clusterfscks but I think our deep technical inferiority & shitty substratums & fabrics speak endless volumes about how badly the techies bungle it up, haven't found truer mechanistically sympathetic systems to work atop. ideas like the ESB died, but as good as they are microservices & grpc aren they aren't as coherent concrete enough a starting spot for enterprise architecture, for how data moves. data flow is untamed. esb, remember that? when we tried to abstract messaging? and never quite got it? then projects like airflow, or nifi. mq's proliferated. a lot of this stuff isn't enterprise but if the ESB world hadn't fallen over it was on course to be, it was specialized advancements of the bus. the bus of enterprise. there are so many adequate decent tools. so many. so many good enough platforms that can be well adapted to do the job. but;. think we're missing core pieces of how to draw things together. in ways that only general systems research & augmentronics can start us climbing upwards to. but each company is kind of welding together the flows, busing the skeleton of systems themselves out of these bones. and yes they struggle immensely to do that well, to be converted about it, to wayfind their systems forward.

Have you actually worked on real world Enterprise systems? It sounds to me as if you haven’t. Some of the posts above (from people who know what they are talking about) might enlighten you.

rektide 5y ago

> Have you actually worked on real world Enterprise systems? It sounds to me as if you haven’t. boo I called out one part that I thought would be helpful & you show up & say thinking that means I don't know anything thing. this is ridiculous of you & unkind. it feels maximally ungenerous. I wasn't making a grand statement about the whole picture. wasn't trying to crack the whole iceberg. I called out one specific part. and you had to come & rain on me for offering my 2c. I'm tryin my to move towards a moment of finding some technical insight here. something technically nuanced & interesting that we can begin to say. i'm tired of most of the other replies, which cite the real world stakeholders, clients, legacy, politics & other real world clusterfscks but I think our deep technical inferiority & shitty substratums & fabrics speak endless volumes about how badly the techies bungle it up, haven't found truer mechanistically sympathetic systems to work atop. ideas like the ESB died, but as good as they are microservices & grpc aren they aren't as coherent concrete enough a starting spot for enterprise architecture, for how data moves. data flow is untamed. esb, remember that? when we tried to abstract messaging? and never quite got it? then projects like airflow, or nifi. mq's proliferated. a lot of this stuff isn't enterprise but if the ESB world hadn't fallen over it was on course to be, it was specialized advancements of the bus. the bus of enterprise. there are so many adequate decent tools. so many. so many good enough platforms that can be well adapted to do the job. but;. think we're missing core pieces of how to draw things together. in ways that only general systems research & augmentronics can start us climbing upwards to. but each company is kind of welding together the flows, busing the skeleton of systems themselves out of these bones. and yes they struggle immensely to do that well, to be converted about it, to wayfind their systems forward.