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I really hope Apple can control themselves with these CPUs. The M1 has the perfect thermal envelope for the Macbook Pro. No thermal throttling ever. I greatly f

I really hope Apple can control themselves with these CPUs. The M1 has the perfect thermal envelope for the Macbook Pro. No thermal throttling ever. I greatly fear the future were Apple starts going down Intels path were you buy a sick CPU on paper. But once you actually try to do anything with it it throttles itself into the ground.

klodolph 5y ago
Historically, this is one of the reasons Apple went with Intel CPUs to begin with. The PowerPC G5 was a nice processor but never ended up with a thermal envelope acceptable for a laptop. So from 2003 to 2006, you could buy a Mac G5 desktop, but if you wanted a laptop, it was a G4. 2006 was the beginning of the transition to Intel, who made better processors that Apple could put in laptops. It's not the only reason Apple switched to x86, but it perhaps the most commonly cited factor.
- geerlingguy 5y ago
  I complain about how hot the i9 gets... but then I remember the period where Apple was transitioning from G4/G5 to Intel Core 2 Duo chips... in both cases they were _searing_ hot in laptops, and Apple's always fought the battle to keep their laptops thin while sometimes sacrificing anything touching the skin of the laptop (unlike most PC vendors, who are happier adding 10+mm of height to fit in more heat sinks and fans!).
  - selectodude 5y ago
    Heck, even before that with the 867MHz 12" Powerbook G4. Pretty sure that thing is why I don't have children.
secondcoming 5y ago
My i7-10875H pretty much stopped thermal throttling when running CineBench R23 when I changed the thermal paste to Kryonaut Extreme.
- rowanG077 5y ago
  How about running CineBench R23 and a GPU workload continuously for an hour? I'm willing to bet it will throttle. That little chip you have there is not only a CPU. It's also a GPU. Utilizing half of it's function and then saying it doesn't throttle is not that impressive. Still there are many Intel laptops that throttle even by going half power. What laptop do you have? If it's a gaming or workstation laptop those are generally much better cooled then thin & lights like macbook pros.
efficax 5y ago
I don't see a world where the iPad pro has a fan in it so i think they'll have to commit to good thermals for the foreseeable future
- rowanG077 5y ago
  I don't think the Ipad will ever contain the higher specced M1 version. M1X or M2 or however it will be called.

klodolph 5y ago

Historically, this is one of the reasons Apple went with Intel CPUs to begin with. The PowerPC G5 was a nice processor but never ended up with a thermal envelope acceptable for a laptop. So from 2003 to 2006, you could buy a Mac G5 desktop, but if you wanted a laptop, it was a G4. 2006 was the beginning of the transition to Intel, who made better processors that Apple could put in laptops. It's not the only reason Apple switched to x86, but it perhaps the most commonly cited factor.

geerlingguy 5y ago
I complain about how hot the i9 gets... but then I remember the period where Apple was transitioning from G4/G5 to Intel Core 2 Duo chips... in both cases they were _searing_ hot in laptops, and Apple's always fought the battle to keep their laptops thin while sometimes sacrificing anything touching the skin of the laptop (unlike most PC vendors, who are happier adding 10+mm of height to fit in more heat sinks and fans!).
- selectodude 5y ago
  Heck, even before that with the 867MHz 12" Powerbook G4. Pretty sure that thing is why I don't have children.

secondcoming 5y ago

My i7-10875H pretty much stopped thermal throttling when running CineBench R23 when I changed the thermal paste to Kryonaut Extreme.

rowanG077 5y ago
How about running CineBench R23 and a GPU workload continuously for an hour? I'm willing to bet it will throttle. That little chip you have there is not only a CPU. It's also a GPU. Utilizing half of it's function and then saying it doesn't throttle is not that impressive. Still there are many Intel laptops that throttle even by going half power. What laptop do you have? If it's a gaming or workstation laptop those are generally much better cooled then thin & lights like macbook pros.

efficax 5y ago

I don't see a world where the iPad pro has a fan in it so i think they'll have to commit to good thermals for the foreseeable future

rowanG077 5y ago
I don't think the Ipad will ever contain the higher specced M1 version. M1X or M2 or however it will be called.