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Just so you know where I'm coming from - I've been vehemently anti lockdown since late April 2020 and still am, I'm generally appalled at the level of mindless
by baumy 5y ago
Just so you know where I'm coming from - I've been vehemently anti lockdown since late April 2020 and still am, I'm generally appalled at the level of mindless obedience to "experts" and "the science" that has been displayed by many people over the past year, and at the enthusiastic embrace of censorship of wrongthink that those same people exhibited. I was also skeptical of taking the emergency vaccines until I did many hours of my own reading, since I'm fairly young and very fit and consider covid to be a fairly negligible concern for my own personal health.
Having said all that, did you fully read your own link? It does mention that the spike protein can cause damage to lung tissue and other things as well. But there's also these two paragraphs which seem extremely relevant, in that they directly contradict the implicit claim you're making that the spike proteins produced in reaction to the mRNA vaccine are dangerous just like the ones on the virus itself:
> The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines produce the full-length spike protein. Pfizer studied several formulations initially, but found that the full length protein vaccine had fewer side effects and was better tolerated than other vaccine candidates, so that is the one they went with. It is also likely that the full protein contains more epitopes (sites for immune activity) and therefore produces more thorough and longer lasting immunity. The proteins, however, are in a fixed state, they are unable to change their confirmation, which is necessary to bind to cells. So they function differently than spike proteins on infecting virus.
> After the Pfizer vaccine full spike proteins are expressed on the vaccinated cells for presentation to the immune system. But the vaccine-induced proteins do not appear to cause any harmful effects. This may be because the vaccine is administered in the muscle, and so muscle cells are the ones taking up the mRNA and making spike proteins. There is a vigorous immune response which neutralizes the spike proteins before they can cause any harm. This is very different from a virus replicating throughout the body.
I firmly believe getting vaccinated is a personal choice so I'm not trying to pressure you. But your concerns seem to be directly called out as unsubstantiated and not backed by evidence according to your own source.
- reedjosh 5y agoYes, I did read those. My point is basically that there's still emerging science, and seeing as I don't trust the government, medical industry (which stands to profit greatly), the media (which have pushed the vaccine like crazy), and pretty much any authority, how can I believe evidence provided by the companies that stand to profit billions? > This may be because the vaccine is administered in the muscle, and so muscle cells are the ones taking up the mRNA and making spike proteins. Dr. Bridle discusses how the spike proteins can leave the shoulder muscle: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sis1Sddzbqk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sis1Sddzbqk Which was found after filing a freedom of information request with the Japanese government. Study translated into english. https://files.catbox.moe/0vwcmj.pdf https://files.catbox.moe/0vwcmj.pdf Either way, there's still no possibility for long term evidence of safety, and I have COVID antibodies from the disease itself, so why would I take the vaccine?