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> all the major ones are fine these days. I think the very point of this thread is that is not the case and many users are very unhappy with Windows telemetry.

criddell 5y ago
Many users? I'd be surprised if it's even 1%.
- gnulinux 5y ago
  I have never met a single person in my entire life who likes using Windows. Everyone I know claims "yeah it's crap but this CAD/Industry standard software works only in Windows". I would guess they exist but I'd bet money they don't make up 99% of users.
  - criddell 5y ago
    You're kind of making the same point I was. People don't choose an OS for the sake of the OS, it's for the application support. I like using Windows as much as macOS or Linux. For different parts of my day I'll be using Windows or Linux or Android or iOS and at on each system the OS is there to support the applications I want to use.
    - fsflover 5y ago
      It's called "walled garden" actually.
      - criddell 5y ago
        No it isn't. If you wanted to call iOS a walled garden, I wouldn't argue. I would also say it's not necessarily a bad thing. I wouldn't call Windows, Linux, or macOS walled gardens.
        fsflover 5y ago
        > I have never met a single person in my entire life who likes using Windows. Everyone I know claims "yeah it's crap but this CAD/Industry standard software works only in Windows". If this is not a walled garden, I don't know what is. Linux is certainly not a walled garden.
        criddell 5y ago
        In computing, a walled garden is a closed ecosystem controlled by the platform owner. None of Windows, macOS, or Linux are walled gardens because all of them allow anybody to publish software for those platforms. You don't need approval and you don't need to distribute through a central authority. iOS, on the other hand, can only load apps from the App Store and that store only carries software approved by Apple. What you are talking about is proprietary software. That's a different beast.
        fsflover 5y ago
        Maybe you are right in terms of strict definitions, but in reality the proprietary software effectively creates the walled garden from which the users can't escape.

criddell 5y ago

Many users? I'd be surprised if it's even 1%.

gnulinux 5y ago
I have never met a single person in my entire life who likes using Windows. Everyone I know claims "yeah it's crap but this CAD/Industry standard software works only in Windows". I would guess they exist but I'd bet money they don't make up 99% of users.
- criddell 5y ago
  You're kind of making the same point I was. People don't choose an OS for the sake of the OS, it's for the application support. I like using Windows as much as macOS or Linux. For different parts of my day I'll be using Windows or Linux or Android or iOS and at on each system the OS is there to support the applications I want to use.
  - fsflover 5y ago
    It's called "walled garden" actually.
    - criddell 5y ago
      No it isn't. If you wanted to call iOS a walled garden, I wouldn't argue. I would also say it's not necessarily a bad thing. I wouldn't call Windows, Linux, or macOS walled gardens.
      - fsflover 5y ago
        > I have never met a single person in my entire life who likes using Windows. Everyone I know claims "yeah it's crap but this CAD/Industry standard software works only in Windows". If this is not a walled garden, I don't know what is. Linux is certainly not a walled garden.
        criddell 5y ago
        In computing, a walled garden is a closed ecosystem controlled by the platform owner. None of Windows, macOS, or Linux are walled gardens because all of them allow anybody to publish software for those platforms. You don't need approval and you don't need to distribute through a central authority. iOS, on the other hand, can only load apps from the App Store and that store only carries software approved by Apple. What you are talking about is proprietary software. That's a different beast.
        fsflover 5y ago
        Maybe you are right in terms of strict definitions, but in reality the proprietary software effectively creates the walled garden from which the users can't escape.