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What is this going to create? The great firewall of Europe? Delivering threats of ultimatum is not how you work together, and leads me to say -- you aren't som

What is this going to create? The great firewall of Europe? Delivering threats of ultimatum is not how you work together, and leads me to say -- you aren't someone I want to work with.

Dah00n 5y ago
If the great firewall keeps my data out of the US I'd be willing to at least listen to the proposed law. Doesn't sound all bad..
- unclesams-uncle 5y ago
  Objectively, what would you have against your data going to the US?
  - Dah00n 5y ago
    The data protection laws are bad enough locally, having to also have the US in the mix would make it impossible to comprehend and try to control what goes where. I'm both in the "I have nothing to hide but I can't tell the future" and the "my data is pretty useless but fuck no I'm not going to let Apple/Google/Facebook make money from my data without my say so" camps. Besides that (and suddenly it becomes geopolitical) I dislike the US (not the people, the system) and if this is the only way I can tell the giant bully to F off, even though it will go unnoticed, well so be it. If I were a Twitter user I'd likely include hashtags like #SnowdenIsAHero, #RememberTheMauritanian, etc. in my tweets but I'm less angry than lazy..
    - unclesams-uncle 5y ago
      >but I'm less angry than lazy. Nice. I think that's probably a better approach to the internet than most people take. Fair points. I see what you're saying about Balkanized regulations. I guess in a perfect world, data protections rules/practices would have a global standardization. I'm doubtful that would ever happen, though.
rscho 5y ago
Why would we europeans want to work with the US? It would actually be great if americans kept american interests in America, for once.
- vinay427 5y ago
  Your point of course stands, but the "for once" from a European perspective makes this sound more like a now-satiated lion complaining that the dog kills for food. (EDIT: Changed wording here) Regardless, I hope that the US is able to learn from the mistakes of western European powers.
  - rscho 5y ago
    > learn from the mistakes of western European powers. By "mistakes" you mean like invading poor countries to steal their natural resources? ;-)
    - vinay427 5y ago
      Well, the US has already set that precedent. I was referring to the even more egregious century or two of direct colonialism involving cultural/moral imposition and the rewriting and dismantling of indigenous history (and economies) that the invasions typically resulted in, in the case of these western European powers, followed by another several decades of denying responsibility for the consequences of these events by essentially gaslighting.
      - rscho 5y ago
        And the US would not do that? Let's ask America's native population and see what they have to say about that. I find difficult to believe that you're arguing in good faith.
        vinay427 5y ago
        I'm not sure how this is a response to what I said, quite frankly. It seems like you see an argument that I wasn't making, so I'm a little confused. (EDIT: To clarify, I don't disagree with what you said about the plight of indigenous populations in this comment.) I simply said that I hope the US (or any other country, for that matter) learns from the mistakes of western European powers, because it hasn't reached that level yet and the world (including perhaps the US in the long term) would be better off if it didn't. It seems rather disingenuous to equate the comprehensive political, economic, and emotional damage these colonial powers did and sometimes continue to do to "poor countries" to what the US has done, so far, even though the paths have stark similarities and the US could readily end up at a similar place if it continues certain practices.

What is this going to create? The great firewall of Europe? Delivering threats of ultimatum is not how you work together, and leads me to say -- you aren't someone I want to work with.

Dah00n 5y ago

If the great firewall keeps my data out of the US I'd be willing to at least listen to the proposed law. Doesn't sound all bad..

unclesams-uncle 5y ago
Objectively, what would you have against your data going to the US?
- Dah00n 5y ago
  The data protection laws are bad enough locally, having to also have the US in the mix would make it impossible to comprehend and try to control what goes where. I'm both in the "I have nothing to hide but I can't tell the future" and the "my data is pretty useless but fuck no I'm not going to let Apple/Google/Facebook make money from my data without my say so" camps. Besides that (and suddenly it becomes geopolitical) I dislike the US (not the people, the system) and if this is the only way I can tell the giant bully to F off, even though it will go unnoticed, well so be it. If I were a Twitter user I'd likely include hashtags like #SnowdenIsAHero, #RememberTheMauritanian, etc. in my tweets but I'm less angry than lazy..
  - unclesams-uncle 5y ago
    >but I'm less angry than lazy. Nice. I think that's probably a better approach to the internet than most people take. Fair points. I see what you're saying about Balkanized regulations. I guess in a perfect world, data protections rules/practices would have a global standardization. I'm doubtful that would ever happen, though.

rscho 5y ago

Why would we europeans want to work with the US? It would actually be great if americans kept american interests in America, for once.

vinay427 5y ago
Your point of course stands, but the "for once" from a European perspective makes this sound more like a now-satiated lion complaining that the dog kills for food. (EDIT: Changed wording here) Regardless, I hope that the US is able to learn from the mistakes of western European powers.
- rscho 5y ago
  > learn from the mistakes of western European powers. By "mistakes" you mean like invading poor countries to steal their natural resources? ;-)
  - vinay427 5y ago
    Well, the US has already set that precedent. I was referring to the even more egregious century or two of direct colonialism involving cultural/moral imposition and the rewriting and dismantling of indigenous history (and economies) that the invasions typically resulted in, in the case of these western European powers, followed by another several decades of denying responsibility for the consequences of these events by essentially gaslighting.
    - rscho 5y ago
      And the US would not do that? Let's ask America's native population and see what they have to say about that. I find difficult to believe that you're arguing in good faith.
      - vinay427 5y ago
        I'm not sure how this is a response to what I said, quite frankly. It seems like you see an argument that I wasn't making, so I'm a little confused. (EDIT: To clarify, I don't disagree with what you said about the plight of indigenous populations in this comment.) I simply said that I hope the US (or any other country, for that matter) learns from the mistakes of western European powers, because it hasn't reached that level yet and the world (including perhaps the US in the long term) would be better off if it didn't. It seems rather disingenuous to equate the comprehensive political, economic, and emotional damage these colonial powers did and sometimes continue to do to "poor countries" to what the US has done, so far, even though the paths have stark similarities and the US could readily end up at a similar place if it continues certain practices.