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Freenode Exodus: A List

87 points by zatertip 5y ago

zatertip 5y ago
A daily growing list of currently 451 public projects that have left Freenode for other networks following the takeover by Andrew Lee and subsequent takeover of many channels by his organisation. Some projects had 100 channels, others only one.
- DominikD 5y ago
  Thanks for explanation, I knew I'm missing context here.
siraben 5y ago
Repo author here. I initially compiled this list as a gist because I saw several informal collections being shared in comments and over IRC, but did not cite their original sources and represented only a fraction of the move at large. Over time the informal list grew and it became necessary to add citations. Please feel free to open issues or PRs.
Havoc 5y ago
Anyone notable that decided to stay?
- EmilStenstrom 5y ago
  There are three projects at the end of the list.
  - Jiocus 5y ago
    With #freenode themselves being one of them.
- zatertip 5y ago
  Scroll to the very bottom, there's a couple.
  - voxadam 5y ago
    Well, one and a half; I don't think #freenode counts (for obvious reasons) and #forth is bridged into #forth at libera.chat. The only channel left on that list of three is #techrights which I'm not personally familiar with.
    - zatertip 5y ago
      To be fair, it will always be easier to find news about something that did happen than about something that didn't :-)
    - phoe-krk 5y ago
      Regarding #techrights, reading some of the comments from http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-290521.html http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-290521.htm... aimed at libera.chat gives me the real creeps. They seem to come from a person and/or people who have a black-and-white vision of some aspects of the world to the point of sheer fanaticism. It's scary. Some "mentionworthy" quotes: > Libera chat: yeah, let's just show how "liber" we are by outsourcing our 1) site code 2) site hosting 3) projects to a bunch of criminals who badmouth and bribe to undermine #freesw > The free in #freenode stands for freedom. The Liber in Libera Chat stands for (neo) liberal. > Libera chat is all #microsoft (technially), except the IRC daemons. > Libre chat: we don't know how to set up and manage a git server (funny that, even I can do that... with little experience) but trust us to run a whole IRC network... > All you mindless fanatics who flock over to libera.chat (185.199.110.153), be aware that they have outsourced to #microsoft #proprietarySoftware #monopoly ( cdn-185-199-110-153.github.com ). So they don't exactly value freedom or "libera"... it's just shallow rhetoric. Because it's an ego think against #freenode If that's one of the main channels performing Freenode support, I'm getting convinced that I made a good move by jumping off Freenode.
      - swiley 5y ago
- tazjin 5y ago
  Some channels I was in on Freenode were hesitant to move, but they were then taken over by Freenode staff in the wave of channel hijackings (for example, because they had topics like "We're discussing whether to move to Libera, please <bla>") which expedited the move for all of them.
  - swiley 5y ago
    That was such a shockingly stupid move by the new Freenode admins.
clumsysmurf 5y ago
A lot of people are showing up to android-dev confused, because the topic can't tell them where to go and they have no idea anything even happened.
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Urgo 5y ago
Wow that is quite the list of channels leaving. Made me wonder what the user impact was. Thankfully netsplit.de is still around. Graph comparing the top networks. You can clearly see the drop here: https://netsplit.de/networks/top10.php https://netsplit.de/networks/top10.php Freenode stats: https://netsplit.de/networks/statistics.php?net=freenode https://netsplit.de/networks/statistics.php?net=freenode Libera.Chat stats: https://netsplit.de/networks/statistics.php?net=Libera.Chat https://netsplit.de/networks/statistics.php?net=Libera.Chat OFTC stats: https://netsplit.de/networks/statistics.php?net=OFTC https://netsplit.de/networks/statistics.php?net=OFTC
- phoe-krk 5y ago
  It seems that Libera Chat is currently the second largest IRC network by user count.
  - wut42 5y ago
    Don't take Netsplit's top 10 into a real "top 10", some networks are excluded from it (including freenode). However, Libera is higher than IRCNet in user count now (the top 10 isn't refreshed regularly). So technically it _is_ first in this top, and ultimately, number 2 behind freenode.
    - phoe-krk 5y ago
      > some networks are excluded from it (including freenode). Uh... no it's not? The graphs at https://netsplit.de/networks/top10.php https://netsplit.de/networks/top10.php explicitly mention Freenode.
      - wut42 5y ago
        Uh my bad. It's on the top 100 (which is a list and not graph), and I was sure you talked about that top.
        phoe-krk 5y ago
hutrdvnj 5y ago
TLDR; all relevant channels left Freenode in favor of Libera and some OFTC. Seems to me that Lee did a great job.
dang 5y ago
Recent and related: Freenode ops take control of 700 channels - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27286628 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27286628 - May 2021 (942 comments) Freenode Exists for FOSS - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27283964 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27283964 - May 2021 (22 comments) Welcome to Libera Chat - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27207734 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27207734 - May 2021 (526 comments) Leaving Freenode for a new network - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27207440 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27207440 - May 2021 (296 comments) Freenode resignation is official, not a draft - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27205926 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27205926 - May 2021 (16 comments) The Freenode resignation FAQ, or: “what the fuck is going on?” - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27169301 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27169301 - May 2021 (8 comments) I am resigning along with most other Freenode staff - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27153338 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27153338 - May 2021 (269 comments)

87 points by zatertip 5y ago

A daily growing list of currently 451 public projects that have left Freenode for other networks following the takeover by Andrew Lee and subsequent takeover of many channels by his organisation. Some projects had 100 channels, others only one.

DominikD 5y ago
Thanks for explanation, I knew I'm missing context here.

siraben 5y ago

Repo author here. I initially compiled this list as a gist because I saw several informal collections being shared in comments and over IRC, but did not cite their original sources and represented only a fraction of the move at large. Over time the informal list grew and it became necessary to add citations. Please feel free to open issues or PRs.

Havoc 5y ago

Anyone notable that decided to stay?

EmilStenstrom 5y ago
There are three projects at the end of the list.
- Jiocus 5y ago
  With #freenode themselves being one of them.
zatertip 5y ago
Scroll to the very bottom, there's a couple.
- voxadam 5y ago
  Well, one and a half; I don't think #freenode counts (for obvious reasons) and #forth is bridged into #forth at libera.chat. The only channel left on that list of three is #techrights which I'm not personally familiar with.
  - zatertip 5y ago
    To be fair, it will always be easier to find news about something that did happen than about something that didn't :-)
  - phoe-krk 5y ago
    Regarding #techrights, reading some of the comments from http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-290521.html http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-290521.htm... aimed at libera.chat gives me the real creeps. They seem to come from a person and/or people who have a black-and-white vision of some aspects of the world to the point of sheer fanaticism. It's scary. Some "mentionworthy" quotes: > Libera chat: yeah, let's just show how "liber" we are by outsourcing our 1) site code 2) site hosting 3) projects to a bunch of criminals who badmouth and bribe to undermine #freesw > The free in #freenode stands for freedom. The Liber in Libera Chat stands for (neo) liberal. > Libera chat is all #microsoft (technially), except the IRC daemons. > Libre chat: we don't know how to set up and manage a git server (funny that, even I can do that... with little experience) but trust us to run a whole IRC network... > All you mindless fanatics who flock over to libera.chat (185.199.110.153), be aware that they have outsourced to #microsoft #proprietarySoftware #monopoly ( cdn-185-199-110-153.github.com ). So they don't exactly value freedom or "libera"... it's just shallow rhetoric. Because it's an ego think against #freenode If that's one of the main channels performing Freenode support, I'm getting convinced that I made a good move by jumping off Freenode.
    - swiley 5y ago
tazjin 5y ago
Some channels I was in on Freenode were hesitant to move, but they were then taken over by Freenode staff in the wave of channel hijackings (for example, because they had topics like "We're discussing whether to move to Libera, please <bla>") which expedited the move for all of them.
- swiley 5y ago
  That was such a shockingly stupid move by the new Freenode admins.

clumsysmurf 5y ago

A lot of people are showing up to android-dev confused, because the topic can't tell them where to go and they have no idea anything even happened.

deleted 5y ago

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Urgo 5y ago

Wow that is quite the list of channels leaving. Made me wonder what the user impact was. Thankfully netsplit.de is still around. Graph comparing the top networks. You can clearly see the drop here: https://netsplit.de/networks/top10.php https://netsplit.de/networks/top10.php Freenode stats: https://netsplit.de/networks/statistics.php?net=freenode https://netsplit.de/networks/statistics.php?net=freenode Libera.Chat stats: https://netsplit.de/networks/statistics.php?net=Libera.Chat https://netsplit.de/networks/statistics.php?net=Libera.Chat OFTC stats: https://netsplit.de/networks/statistics.php?net=OFTC https://netsplit.de/networks/statistics.php?net=OFTC

phoe-krk 5y ago
It seems that Libera Chat is currently the second largest IRC network by user count.
- wut42 5y ago
  Don't take Netsplit's top 10 into a real "top 10", some networks are excluded from it (including freenode). However, Libera is higher than IRCNet in user count now (the top 10 isn't refreshed regularly). So technically it _is_ first in this top, and ultimately, number 2 behind freenode.
  - phoe-krk 5y ago
    > some networks are excluded from it (including freenode). Uh... no it's not? The graphs at https://netsplit.de/networks/top10.php https://netsplit.de/networks/top10.php explicitly mention Freenode.
    - wut42 5y ago
      Uh my bad. It's on the top 100 (which is a list and not graph), and I was sure you talked about that top.
      - phoe-krk 5y ago

hutrdvnj 5y ago

TLDR; all relevant channels left Freenode in favor of Libera and some OFTC. Seems to me that Lee did a great job.

dang 5y ago

Recent and related: Freenode ops take control of 700 channels - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27286628 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27286628 - May 2021 (942 comments) Freenode Exists for FOSS - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27283964 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27283964 - May 2021 (22 comments) Welcome to Libera Chat - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27207734 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27207734 - May 2021 (526 comments) Leaving Freenode for a new network - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27207440 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27207440 - May 2021 (296 comments) Freenode resignation is official, not a draft - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27205926 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27205926 - May 2021 (16 comments) The Freenode resignation FAQ, or: “what the fuck is going on?” - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27169301 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27169301 - May 2021 (8 comments) I am resigning along with most other Freenode staff - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27153338 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27153338 - May 2021 (269 comments)