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Interesting, when does Apple ask for a cc for age verification? I don't think I've come across that UI. Edit: Looks like it might be an EU thing?

tpxl 5y ago
I set my age to about 3 months old in Skype and got locked out. They need my CC to verify my age because of COPA (child online protection act in the US) or something.
- sp332 5y ago
  But other websites don't do this, so I don't think it's a COPPA thing.
  - kodah 5y ago
    That would be COPPA. > In 2019, the Government of the State of New York sued YouTube for violating COPPA by illegally retaining information related to children under 13 years of age. YouTube responded by dividing its content strictly into "for kids" and "not for kids". This has met with extremely harsh criticism from the YouTube community, especially from gamers, with many alleging that the FTC of the United States intends to fine content creators $42,530 for "each mislabeled video", possibly putting all users at risk.[58][59][60] However, some have expressed skepticism over this, feeling that the fines may actually be in reference to civil penalties, possibly intended for the site's operators and/or warranted by more serious of COPPA violations or specific cases of "mislabeling videos."[61][62][63] As of July 2020, nobody has got the $42k fine.[64] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children's_Online_Privacy_Protection_Act https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children's_Online_Privacy_Pr...
  - 4ec0755f5522 5y ago
    I had this happen on a gaming forum, they upgraded to new forum software and pushed users through a 'update your account' flow. I accidentally set my year to the wrong number and ended up locked out of what had been a long-term username. It was bad, actually, because they had developed a system where your username on the system was tied to your in-game nickname as well so I ended up locked out of both and had to create a new username/nick. The admin of the website literally said "there's nothing I can do". I'm sure this isn't to do with the law specifically but just some limitation of their tools.
    - emteycz 5y ago
      > The admin of the website literally said "there's nothing I can do". I'm sure this isn't to do with the law specifically but just some limitation of their tools. At the gaming forum I helped to run around 10 years ago we consulted a lawyer and this [asking for birthdate but not allowing birthdate changes] was the only way to keep out of serious trouble and to not need ID verification.
      - rhizome 5y ago
        Hah, that probably explains all the age-disclaimers on dating sites. I had assumed it was just "login with Facebook" people not being allowed to change their birthdate by Facebook, but as it turns out that may have been unjust (though FB itself might also prevent bday changes for the same reason).
        emteycz 5y ago
        It is definitely that at least with Tinder.
- mvanbaak 5y ago
  Skype is not Apple though
  - swiley 5y ago
    Anything on an iphone is Apple. They dictate content, UI design, architecture and moderation policy for all the apps on the device.
    - emteycz 5y ago
      No, Apple doesn't dictate credit card verification requirements. Actually they are quite opposed.
      - serf 5y ago
        >No, Apple doesn't dictate credit card verification requirements. that's the point parent was making; Apple made a decision about such things when allowing an app within their ecosystem that makes such choices (Skype, in this case).
        tonyaiken 5y ago
        Allowing something to happen isn’t dictating IMO.
        swiley 5y ago
        It is when you're very strict about what you allow to happen. (which is the case with iOS apps.)
      - swiley 5y ago
        Apparently they have specifically allowed it in this case. Otherwise there would be no iOS Skype app.
jdofaz 5y ago
tv.apple.com did for me when trying to play a video
- keymone 5y ago
  What videos are free to watch on there?
  - jdofaz 5y ago
    I don't know, I have a free year of it. It plays in the app without asking, but not on the website.
    - keymone 5y ago
      Did you sign in on the website?
    - jdofaz 5y ago
      No, I already had an account but it doesn't have a credit card on file.
benbristow 5y ago
Must be. On major mobile networks in the UK, SIM cards/data plans by default have an adult content internet filter enabled. Blocks stuff like pornography (obviously) and even some other various adult age-focused content like gaming websites. (I've seen the EA Battlefield/Call Of Duty websites blocked before) Usually if you try to access, say, pornhub.com, it'll redirect (ala. WiFi captive portal style) to an internal network page and you have to enter a credit card to disable it on your account. A debit/bank card won't work. I'm over 18 now but at the time I came across this (also over 18) I didn't have a credit card but I ended up bypassing this with a Curve (Fintech 1->many card thing) card which seems to identify as a credit card on the network's system. Alternatively, if you don't mind never seeing the assistant again (jk.), you can go into one of the network's shops and ask the assistant to turn it off by providing some ID like a passport/driving licence.
- sebmellen 5y ago
  This only reinforces my image of the UK as a long since resigned totalitarian police state — that, along with the huge 1984-esque CCTV posters with giant eyes hanging watchfully over a dreary autumn midday in London.
  - istorical 5y ago
    It's hilarious. If this technology existed 50 years ago you can be sure they'd be filtering out any homosexual content. "We must protect the children from filth" after all. Good old nanny state.
    - sebmellen 5y ago
      The posters I referenced were from 2002 [0]... I can only imagine how much worse it's gotten since then. > Attention Londoners: Big Bobby is watching. That's the message of posters plastered along London's bus routes earlier this week to assuage riders' crime fears. > But the posters are having the opposite effect on privacy advocates, who say the artwork is creepily reminiscent of the all-seeing authority described in George Orwell's 1984. > The posters show a red double-decker bus crossing a bridge as four floating eyes stare down from the sky. The eyes' pupils are the symbol of Transport For London, the city's mass-transit provider. > "Secure beneath the watchful eyes," the poster says. "CCTV and Metropolitan Police on buses are just two ways we're making your journey more secure." [0]: https://www.wired.com/2002/11/londons-privacy-falling-down/ https://www.wired.com/2002/11/londons-privacy-falling-down/
tomcooks 5y ago
Not an EU thing.

tpxl 5y ago

I set my age to about 3 months old in Skype and got locked out. They need my CC to verify my age because of COPA (child online protection act in the US) or something.

sp332 5y ago
But other websites don't do this, so I don't think it's a COPPA thing.
- kodah 5y ago
  That would be COPPA. > In 2019, the Government of the State of New York sued YouTube for violating COPPA by illegally retaining information related to children under 13 years of age. YouTube responded by dividing its content strictly into "for kids" and "not for kids". This has met with extremely harsh criticism from the YouTube community, especially from gamers, with many alleging that the FTC of the United States intends to fine content creators $42,530 for "each mislabeled video", possibly putting all users at risk.[58][59][60] However, some have expressed skepticism over this, feeling that the fines may actually be in reference to civil penalties, possibly intended for the site's operators and/or warranted by more serious of COPPA violations or specific cases of "mislabeling videos."[61][62][63] As of July 2020, nobody has got the $42k fine.[64] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children's_Online_Privacy_Protection_Act https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children's_Online_Privacy_Pr...
- 4ec0755f5522 5y ago
  I had this happen on a gaming forum, they upgraded to new forum software and pushed users through a 'update your account' flow. I accidentally set my year to the wrong number and ended up locked out of what had been a long-term username. It was bad, actually, because they had developed a system where your username on the system was tied to your in-game nickname as well so I ended up locked out of both and had to create a new username/nick. The admin of the website literally said "there's nothing I can do". I'm sure this isn't to do with the law specifically but just some limitation of their tools.
  - emteycz 5y ago
    > The admin of the website literally said "there's nothing I can do". I'm sure this isn't to do with the law specifically but just some limitation of their tools. At the gaming forum I helped to run around 10 years ago we consulted a lawyer and this [asking for birthdate but not allowing birthdate changes] was the only way to keep out of serious trouble and to not need ID verification.
    - rhizome 5y ago
      Hah, that probably explains all the age-disclaimers on dating sites. I had assumed it was just "login with Facebook" people not being allowed to change their birthdate by Facebook, but as it turns out that may have been unjust (though FB itself might also prevent bday changes for the same reason).
      - emteycz 5y ago
        It is definitely that at least with Tinder.
mvanbaak 5y ago
Skype is not Apple though
- swiley 5y ago
  Anything on an iphone is Apple. They dictate content, UI design, architecture and moderation policy for all the apps on the device.
  - emteycz 5y ago
    No, Apple doesn't dictate credit card verification requirements. Actually they are quite opposed.
    - serf 5y ago
      >No, Apple doesn't dictate credit card verification requirements. that's the point parent was making; Apple made a decision about such things when allowing an app within their ecosystem that makes such choices (Skype, in this case).
      - tonyaiken 5y ago
        Allowing something to happen isn’t dictating IMO.
        swiley 5y ago
        It is when you're very strict about what you allow to happen. (which is the case with iOS apps.)
    - swiley 5y ago
      Apparently they have specifically allowed it in this case. Otherwise there would be no iOS Skype app.

jdofaz 5y ago

tv.apple.com did for me when trying to play a video

keymone 5y ago
What videos are free to watch on there?
- jdofaz 5y ago
  I don't know, I have a free year of it. It plays in the app without asking, but not on the website.
  - keymone 5y ago
    Did you sign in on the website?
  - jdofaz 5y ago
    No, I already had an account but it doesn't have a credit card on file.

benbristow 5y ago

Must be. On major mobile networks in the UK, SIM cards/data plans by default have an adult content internet filter enabled. Blocks stuff like pornography (obviously) and even some other various adult age-focused content like gaming websites. (I've seen the EA Battlefield/Call Of Duty websites blocked before) Usually if you try to access, say, pornhub.com, it'll redirect (ala. WiFi captive portal style) to an internal network page and you have to enter a credit card to disable it on your account. A debit/bank card won't work. I'm over 18 now but at the time I came across this (also over 18) I didn't have a credit card but I ended up bypassing this with a Curve (Fintech 1->many card thing) card which seems to identify as a credit card on the network's system. Alternatively, if you don't mind never seeing the assistant again (jk.), you can go into one of the network's shops and ask the assistant to turn it off by providing some ID like a passport/driving licence.

sebmellen 5y ago
This only reinforces my image of the UK as a long since resigned totalitarian police state — that, along with the huge 1984-esque CCTV posters with giant eyes hanging watchfully over a dreary autumn midday in London.
- istorical 5y ago
  It's hilarious. If this technology existed 50 years ago you can be sure they'd be filtering out any homosexual content. "We must protect the children from filth" after all. Good old nanny state.
  - sebmellen 5y ago
    The posters I referenced were from 2002 [0]... I can only imagine how much worse it's gotten since then. > Attention Londoners: Big Bobby is watching. That's the message of posters plastered along London's bus routes earlier this week to assuage riders' crime fears. > But the posters are having the opposite effect on privacy advocates, who say the artwork is creepily reminiscent of the all-seeing authority described in George Orwell's 1984. > The posters show a red double-decker bus crossing a bridge as four floating eyes stare down from the sky. The eyes' pupils are the symbol of Transport For London, the city's mass-transit provider. > "Secure beneath the watchful eyes," the poster says. "CCTV and Metropolitan Police on buses are just two ways we're making your journey more secure." [0]: https://www.wired.com/2002/11/londons-privacy-falling-down/ https://www.wired.com/2002/11/londons-privacy-falling-down/

tomcooks 5y ago

Not an EU thing.