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macOS has a lot of this too. It’s weird Apple seems to get a pass but Microsoft gets attacked. (Ads in start is a huge problem though).

pessimizer 5y ago
> Apple seems to get a pass Seems to who?
rsynnott 5y ago
... I don't think MacOS has _any_ of this? Besides Siri and telemetry, but it asks you on installation if you want to enable those.
- dawnerd 5y ago
  Siri/spotlight does web searches, maps are included, location tracking baked in under the disguise of find-my (Microsoft also has a find-my alternative), there is an advertiser id built into mac toohttps://developer.apple.com/documentation/adsupport/asidentifiermanager/1614151-advertisingidentifier https://developer.apple.com/documentation/adsupport/asidenti... Really the only thing different is Apple has made it seem beneficial to users where Microsoft just comes off spammy.
  - rsynnott 5y ago
    That stuff is all optional and off-by-default, though; you have to either say yes on installation or opt in afterwards.
    - dawnerd 5y ago
      It's not all optional and off by default... They only ask about sending debug data to app developers, siri, and I believe find-my. Apple is a little worse since they try to force you into entering your credit cards for Apple pay.
      - vetinari 5y ago
        > They only ask about sending debug data to app developers They ask two questions: * send telemetry to Apple; * allow sharing telemetry with app developers. If you don't agree with the first one, the second one is grayed out. wrt advertiserid, that's iOS/iPadOS only, on macOS it retuns zero-filled UUID.
        dawnerd 5y ago
        Good catch on the macos advertiser id. It's just a matter of time for it to actually work as expected though.
        rsynnott 5y ago
        > It's just a matter of time for it to actually work as expected though. Eh, I mean they just recently made it effectively useless on iOS (requires a prompt before it works; unsurprisingly very few users give permission). Not sure why they'd go the other direction on MacOS... I suspect it's just there for Catalyst compatibility.

pessimizer 5y ago

> Apple seems to get a pass Seems to who?

rsynnott 5y ago

... I don't think MacOS has _any_ of this? Besides Siri and telemetry, but it asks you on installation if you want to enable those.

dawnerd 5y ago
Siri/spotlight does web searches, maps are included, location tracking baked in under the disguise of find-my (Microsoft also has a find-my alternative), there is an advertiser id built into mac toohttps://developer.apple.com/documentation/adsupport/asidentifiermanager/1614151-advertisingidentifier https://developer.apple.com/documentation/adsupport/asidenti... Really the only thing different is Apple has made it seem beneficial to users where Microsoft just comes off spammy.
- rsynnott 5y ago
  That stuff is all optional and off-by-default, though; you have to either say yes on installation or opt in afterwards.
  - dawnerd 5y ago
    It's not all optional and off by default... They only ask about sending debug data to app developers, siri, and I believe find-my. Apple is a little worse since they try to force you into entering your credit cards for Apple pay.
    - vetinari 5y ago
      > They only ask about sending debug data to app developers They ask two questions: * send telemetry to Apple; * allow sharing telemetry with app developers. If you don't agree with the first one, the second one is grayed out. wrt advertiserid, that's iOS/iPadOS only, on macOS it retuns zero-filled UUID.
      - dawnerd 5y ago
        Good catch on the macos advertiser id. It's just a matter of time for it to actually work as expected though.
        rsynnott 5y ago
        > It's just a matter of time for it to actually work as expected though. Eh, I mean they just recently made it effectively useless on iOS (requires a prompt before it works; unsurprisingly very few users give permission). Not sure why they'd go the other direction on MacOS... I suspect it's just there for Catalyst compatibility.