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Really glad to see people opening up about this. I've been saying for a long time that lockdowns were a green light for some people to stop trying to resolve th

Really glad to see people opening up about this. I've been saying for a long time that lockdowns were a green light for some people to stop trying to resolve their various neuroses and to just accept them. As long as they aren't trying to impose it on the rest of us anymore, I don't have an issue with it. Though, if the author was a friend or family member of mine, I would suggest that they seek help.

coldtea 5y ago
>to stop trying to resolve their various neuroses and to just accept them Why would that be good?
- one2three4 5y ago
  Because, sometimes, it's easier to accept that you're built in a certain way rather than spend a lifetime in denial. "Sometimes" is the key word here. And the one that I wouldn't know how to quantify.
  - Snoozle 5y ago
    It seems to me that the "way people are built" these days is just a lack of discipline. We have grown up soft and effortlessly, and we did not grow the tools to cope with self regulation as it was never necessary. I don't see how "accepting" this behavior does anything to solve it. Ostracization is a valid social regulation for enforcing certain qualities in a society and it's not always wrong to use it.
    - Red_Leaves_Flyy 5y ago
      Perhaps it is you who grew up with too much discipline? Ostracism is shown to be a precursor to terroristic ideation, if your goal is to see less mass shootings and similar extreme events we would all be better served to consider rehabilitative and inclusionary practices instead of punishing people that you deem too soft or ostracizing t them. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/323393438_Ostracism_promotes_a_terroristic_mindset https://www.researchgate.net/publication/323393438_Ostracism...
      - AlexandrB 5y ago
        In my experience, pro-strict-discipline ideas don't care about effectiveness or consequences. The ideology of discipline itself is the point and the virtue being pursued.
- chitowneats 5y ago
  The part that is good is that they are admitting that their continuation of shut-in behavior is not about the virus. Like the old saying goes: Step 1 is admitting you have a problem. The author didn't quite go that far. But they gave enough of an idea of what's going on in their head that someone else can start to diagnose it.
- geofft 5y ago
  "Neurosis" is no longer a well-defined term in the relevant professional community these days, but to the extent it has a specific meaning beyond being a vague synonym for e.g. "worry", it's an unresolved mismatch between your mental behavior/personality and the expectations of society. There are two ways to resolve that - change your mental behavior/personality and change the expectations upon you - and there's nothing in the definition to prefer one over the other.
mariodiana 5y ago
Some of us would argue that the year-long (and counting) lockdowns are the result of neurotics imposing on the rest of us. Some of us have been arguing since the beginning of all this that the old and infirm should have been the ones to isolate themselves — with accommodations and support from the rest of society — while the rest of us took sensible precautions and continued on with the business of life. Some of us trusted that "two weeks to slow the spread" was the sensible policy and what our governments would follow. Instead, what happened was an extended and irrational panic by some forced on the rest of us. So, I think it's terrific if people would accept their neuroses and not bother the rest of us. But there is no evidence that that's how things work.
- everdrive 5y ago
  >Some of us would argue This is a tenuous link at best. China does not have the same cultural makeup of the United States, and they shut down more aggressively than any western nation. (bear in mind this is not a compliment, I would not like to see US officials literally weld people into their apartment complexes.)
  - phone8675309 5y ago
    You'll get a fine or a short jail stay in the US if you defy the mask orders/social distancing orders. You might just get a bullet in China for defying those orders.
- starlust2 5y ago
  This might be true if American society as a whole embraced safety measures to keep the rest of society safe. That didn't happen. A significant portion of the country believe the pandemic was a hoax and took no precautions whatsoever.
  - chitowneats 5y ago
    Is this your explanation for the recent COVID waves in Taiwan, Vietnam, and Guangzhou as well? I thought they were strictly adhering to protocol?
watertom 5y ago
> As long as they aren't trying to impose it on the rest of us anymore, But that's what you are doing. > I would suggest that they seek help. Maybe the right help is for the world not to be driven by the extroverted, over confident, and thoughtless. I'm a physically imposing person, I'm tall and muscular, so I can get away with being introverted because nobody tries very hard to bully me to be extroverted, they try a little bit but back off quickly. Most introverts aren't afforded the same luxury. Forcing introverts to adapt to an extroverted world can really mess with your head. To the extroverts of the world they don't see any issues what so ever, and all the introverts should "just get over it".
- chitowneats 5y ago
  Can we not agree that what this person is describing is a little more severe than introversion? I am 100% in favor of calling an extrovert/introvert truce. You let me go to the office, run my bar, see my dying mother in the nursing home, and in return you never have to come to the office or interact with the public again. Deal?
  - kuratkull 5y ago
    I was just think of how to say what you said. He's not talking about introverts.
- kuratkull 5y ago
  As an introvert I do not appreciate your incorrect characterization of introverts.
Consultant32452 5y ago
Another large pool, at least in my circle, are very boring people who like having an external justification for their inaction. I would spend time with family, but there's a pandemic. I would take the kids to the park, but there's a pandemic. I would go to happy hour after work, but there's a pandemic. I would start exercising and losing weight, but the gym is closed, pandemic. Frankly, I don't care if people aren't interested in spending time with their family or going to happy hour during regular times. But the people who did so previously out of obligation find it convenient to have an external justification.

coldtea 5y ago

>to stop trying to resolve their various neuroses and to just accept them Why would that be good?

one2three4 5y ago
Because, sometimes, it's easier to accept that you're built in a certain way rather than spend a lifetime in denial. "Sometimes" is the key word here. And the one that I wouldn't know how to quantify.
- Snoozle 5y ago
  It seems to me that the "way people are built" these days is just a lack of discipline. We have grown up soft and effortlessly, and we did not grow the tools to cope with self regulation as it was never necessary. I don't see how "accepting" this behavior does anything to solve it. Ostracization is a valid social regulation for enforcing certain qualities in a society and it's not always wrong to use it.
  - Red_Leaves_Flyy 5y ago
    Perhaps it is you who grew up with too much discipline? Ostracism is shown to be a precursor to terroristic ideation, if your goal is to see less mass shootings and similar extreme events we would all be better served to consider rehabilitative and inclusionary practices instead of punishing people that you deem too soft or ostracizing t them. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/323393438_Ostracism_promotes_a_terroristic_mindset https://www.researchgate.net/publication/323393438_Ostracism...
    - AlexandrB 5y ago
      In my experience, pro-strict-discipline ideas don't care about effectiveness or consequences. The ideology of discipline itself is the point and the virtue being pursued.
chitowneats 5y ago
The part that is good is that they are admitting that their continuation of shut-in behavior is not about the virus. Like the old saying goes: Step 1 is admitting you have a problem. The author didn't quite go that far. But they gave enough of an idea of what's going on in their head that someone else can start to diagnose it.
geofft 5y ago
"Neurosis" is no longer a well-defined term in the relevant professional community these days, but to the extent it has a specific meaning beyond being a vague synonym for e.g. "worry", it's an unresolved mismatch between your mental behavior/personality and the expectations of society. There are two ways to resolve that - change your mental behavior/personality and change the expectations upon you - and there's nothing in the definition to prefer one over the other.

mariodiana 5y ago

Some of us would argue that the year-long (and counting) lockdowns are the result of neurotics imposing on the rest of us. Some of us have been arguing since the beginning of all this that the old and infirm should have been the ones to isolate themselves — with accommodations and support from the rest of society — while the rest of us took sensible precautions and continued on with the business of life. Some of us trusted that "two weeks to slow the spread" was the sensible policy and what our governments would follow. Instead, what happened was an extended and irrational panic by some forced on the rest of us. So, I think it's terrific if people would accept their neuroses and not bother the rest of us. But there is no evidence that that's how things work.

everdrive 5y ago
>Some of us would argue This is a tenuous link at best. China does not have the same cultural makeup of the United States, and they shut down more aggressively than any western nation. (bear in mind this is not a compliment, I would not like to see US officials literally weld people into their apartment complexes.)
- phone8675309 5y ago
  You'll get a fine or a short jail stay in the US if you defy the mask orders/social distancing orders. You might just get a bullet in China for defying those orders.
starlust2 5y ago
This might be true if American society as a whole embraced safety measures to keep the rest of society safe. That didn't happen. A significant portion of the country believe the pandemic was a hoax and took no precautions whatsoever.
- chitowneats 5y ago
  Is this your explanation for the recent COVID waves in Taiwan, Vietnam, and Guangzhou as well? I thought they were strictly adhering to protocol?

watertom 5y ago

> As long as they aren't trying to impose it on the rest of us anymore, But that's what you are doing. > I would suggest that they seek help. Maybe the right help is for the world not to be driven by the extroverted, over confident, and thoughtless. I'm a physically imposing person, I'm tall and muscular, so I can get away with being introverted because nobody tries very hard to bully me to be extroverted, they try a little bit but back off quickly. Most introverts aren't afforded the same luxury. Forcing introverts to adapt to an extroverted world can really mess with your head. To the extroverts of the world they don't see any issues what so ever, and all the introverts should "just get over it".

chitowneats 5y ago
Can we not agree that what this person is describing is a little more severe than introversion? I am 100% in favor of calling an extrovert/introvert truce. You let me go to the office, run my bar, see my dying mother in the nursing home, and in return you never have to come to the office or interact with the public again. Deal?
- kuratkull 5y ago
  I was just think of how to say what you said. He's not talking about introverts.
kuratkull 5y ago
As an introvert I do not appreciate your incorrect characterization of introverts.

Consultant32452 5y ago

Another large pool, at least in my circle, are very boring people who like having an external justification for their inaction. I would spend time with family, but there's a pandemic. I would take the kids to the park, but there's a pandemic. I would go to happy hour after work, but there's a pandemic. I would start exercising and losing weight, but the gym is closed, pandemic. Frankly, I don't care if people aren't interested in spending time with their family or going to happy hour during regular times. But the people who did so previously out of obligation find it convenient to have an external justification.