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I personally think it's a big improvement over what it was before -- on macOS at least. On macOS, Firefox had always felt a little bit off. Nothing too egregiou

by chrnad 5y ago

I personally think it's a big improvement over what it was before -- on macOS at least. On macOS, Firefox had always felt a little bit off. Nothing too egregious, but just enough to make it slightly unpleasant (like the non-native context menus). I feel like that has been resolved in this update.

ivanche 5y ago
Since you've already mentioned it - I hear that Firefox has non-native context menus all the time, but for the life of me couldn't tell any difference between "native" and "non-native" context menus. Anybody has any proof/example of this?
- pseudalopex 5y ago
  https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27273724 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27273724
- Hamuko 5y ago
  Right-click on a word in Chrome/Safari (or really any other macOS application) and right-click on a word in old Firefox.
- sirn 5y ago
  https://files.grid.in.th/vKeXJQ.png https://files.grid.in.th/vKeXJQ.png It looks close, but details and behavior are a bit off. For example: - Firefox context menu does not respect system's dark mode - Different horizontal and vertical margins between items - Different font rendering (e.g. text looks bolder) - Different right caret icon For behavior difference, for example: when navigating sub-menu items, macOS uses cursor velocity and cursor direction to determine if user is trying to go to submenu and immediately dismiss it if user is not. Firefox context menu uses a delay to archive similar effect. (To test this: open a sub-menu in a context menu, then move the cursor up. macOS native menu dismiss immediately, where old Firefox has a small delay before it is dismissed.)
  - makecheck 5y ago
    And on Big Sur, the old Firefox menus were still using edge-to-edge rectangular selection but the system ones now use rounded-rectangles that appear to detach from the edges.
  - Scarbutt 5y ago
    That tabwrangler extension is great, thanks!
pseudalopex 5y ago
They stopped trying to make menus even look native on other systems.
- foepys 5y ago
  To be honest, Microsoft has given up trying on Windows as well. Every Microsoft application feels different and MS Teams even ignores the Windows notification infrastructure.
  - pseudalopex 5y ago
    2 wrongs don't make a right.
    - foepys 5y ago
      There is no definite native UI on Windows. If you can point me to one, I might believe you but even the settings menus on Windows use different UIs.
      - mikewarot 5y ago
        Windows has had a native UI forever. Here's how to use it in assembler https://www.codeproject.com/Tips/1035362/Simple-Window-With-Assembly
dbg31415 5y ago
Try streaming a call on MacOS... you'll feel a bit off. 40x the energy usage vs Safari. It's atrocious. Laptop gets to silly high temps, has to be bad for battery life... But I'm sure glad we have some new popup confirmation windows. Cool. EDIT: I use FF on my Mac as my primary browser. Just so frustrated at how little fucks they give about performance and battery usage.
- freediver 5y ago
  May I ask why not just use Safari?
  - dbg31415 5y ago
    I mean, I do for streaming calls. BUT, I really do like Firefox's ability to clear history and cookies on close. I like the extensions for Firefox... Safari doesn't really have any extensions... not really anyway. Things work funky, if they work at all. I think I run 40+ Firefox extensions for work. Everything from ClearURLs, to Wappalizer, to Reddit Shine. Nothing works on Safari. Firefox is great, except they don't give a flying poo about battery life or heat issues on Macs. Really frustrating given we're all mobile these days.

by chrnad 5y ago

ivanche 5y ago

Since you've already mentioned it - I hear that Firefox has non-native context menus all the time, but for the life of me couldn't tell any difference between "native" and "non-native" context menus. Anybody has any proof/example of this?

pseudalopex 5y ago
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27273724 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27273724
Hamuko 5y ago
Right-click on a word in Chrome/Safari (or really any other macOS application) and right-click on a word in old Firefox.
sirn 5y ago
https://files.grid.in.th/vKeXJQ.png https://files.grid.in.th/vKeXJQ.png It looks close, but details and behavior are a bit off. For example: - Firefox context menu does not respect system's dark mode - Different horizontal and vertical margins between items - Different font rendering (e.g. text looks bolder) - Different right caret icon For behavior difference, for example: when navigating sub-menu items, macOS uses cursor velocity and cursor direction to determine if user is trying to go to submenu and immediately dismiss it if user is not. Firefox context menu uses a delay to archive similar effect. (To test this: open a sub-menu in a context menu, then move the cursor up. macOS native menu dismiss immediately, where old Firefox has a small delay before it is dismissed.)
- makecheck 5y ago
  And on Big Sur, the old Firefox menus were still using edge-to-edge rectangular selection but the system ones now use rounded-rectangles that appear to detach from the edges.
- Scarbutt 5y ago
  That tabwrangler extension is great, thanks!

pseudalopex 5y ago

They stopped trying to make menus even look native on other systems.

foepys 5y ago
To be honest, Microsoft has given up trying on Windows as well. Every Microsoft application feels different and MS Teams even ignores the Windows notification infrastructure.
- pseudalopex 5y ago
  2 wrongs don't make a right.
  - foepys 5y ago
    There is no definite native UI on Windows. If you can point me to one, I might believe you but even the settings menus on Windows use different UIs.
    - mikewarot 5y ago
      Windows has had a native UI forever. Here's how to use it in assembler https://www.codeproject.com/Tips/1035362/Simple-Window-With-Assembly

dbg31415 5y ago

Try streaming a call on MacOS... you'll feel a bit off. 40x the energy usage vs Safari. It's atrocious. Laptop gets to silly high temps, has to be bad for battery life... But I'm sure glad we have some new popup confirmation windows. Cool. EDIT: I use FF on my Mac as my primary browser. Just so frustrated at how little fucks they give about performance and battery usage.

freediver 5y ago
May I ask why not just use Safari?
- dbg31415 5y ago
  I mean, I do for streaming calls. BUT, I really do like Firefox's ability to clear history and cookies on close. I like the extensions for Firefox... Safari doesn't really have any extensions... not really anyway. Things work funky, if they work at all. I think I run 40+ Firefox extensions for work. Everything from ClearURLs, to Wappalizer, to Reddit Shine. Nothing works on Safari. Firefox is great, except they don't give a flying poo about battery life or heat issues on Macs. Really frustrating given we're all mobile these days.