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I encourage anyone with enough interest in this matter to read "Confrontations: A Scientist's Search for Alien Contact" and "The Invisible College" by Jacques V

I encourage anyone with enough interest in this matter to read "Confrontations: A Scientist's Search for Alien Contact" and "The Invisible College" by Jacques Vallée. Vallée is an astrophysicist and computer scientist who spent a solid chunk of his life studying UFOs. In Confrontation, he describe his try to find proofs that UFOs are from an ET origin, only to be swallowed in a maelstrom of cults, governement disinfo campaigns, high-strangeness, bullshit artists, and all around memetic pollution making the field opaque to scientific inquiry. The conclusion of this book is that studying UFOs is not a scientific problem as much as an intelligence one, where getting access to reliable data is almost impossible. In the Invisible College, he provides a lot of data compiled by him and peers from UFO encounters cases he studied, most of them never appearing in the media for preventing witness testimony contamination, and show that this data doesn't fit any simple to digest narrative, such as "aliens", the psychosocial hypothesis or "advanced human tech prototypes".

skindoe 5y ago
Have you listened to Jacques Valleé on Joe Rogan, he definitely believes in Aliens...
sandworm101 5y ago
>> most of them never appearing in the media for preventing witness testimony contamination That prevents post-event witness contamination. One really confounding aspect is pre-event contamination. There are links between media depictions and later witness testimonies.
- Pelic4n 5y ago
  Yes, exactly. It was done that way to isolate common attributes of encounters which did not have circulated in the media or the general UFO lore yet. J. Allen Hynek, the lead of project Blue Book, encountered the contamination issue very early in his works, and a huge amount of his research is to this day unpublished to prevent that from happening. As you might notice, this is the complete opposite of how scientific inquiry works. As Vallée concluded, this is an intelligence problem before a scientific one. From that standing, we can understand an UFO encounter as a cybernetic system, not just a physical event. Which leads to consider the UFO phenomenon as informational phenomenon with informational effects on cultures, thoughts and ideas. A lot of Vallée's work is exploring this, which is really fascinating.
  - canadianfella 5y ago
    An UFO?

skindoe 5y ago

Have you listened to Jacques Valleé on Joe Rogan, he definitely believes in Aliens...

sandworm101 5y ago

>> most of them never appearing in the media for preventing witness testimony contamination That prevents post-event witness contamination. One really confounding aspect is pre-event contamination. There are links between media depictions and later witness testimonies.

Pelic4n 5y ago
Yes, exactly. It was done that way to isolate common attributes of encounters which did not have circulated in the media or the general UFO lore yet. J. Allen Hynek, the lead of project Blue Book, encountered the contamination issue very early in his works, and a huge amount of his research is to this day unpublished to prevent that from happening. As you might notice, this is the complete opposite of how scientific inquiry works. As Vallée concluded, this is an intelligence problem before a scientific one. From that standing, we can understand an UFO encounter as a cybernetic system, not just a physical event. Which leads to consider the UFO phenomenon as informational phenomenon with informational effects on cultures, thoughts and ideas. A lot of Vallée's work is exploring this, which is really fascinating.
- canadianfella 5y ago
  An UFO?