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May these laws never be passed.
by robert_foss 5y ago
May these laws never be passed.
- ginko 5y agoWhy? Wouldn't it be good to have the same high standard of rights an protections in the US? edit: Unless you mean you'd still don't want any data shared with the US which I can understand.
- angio 5y agoNot OP, but we keep reading articles about US spy agencies illegally spying on americans so I don't trust them not to break the law to spy on us as well.
- drstewart 5y agoThat's funny, because the latest news headlines were about European spy agencies illegally spying on Europeans
- angio 5y agoThe difference is that we (both as people and countries) have more tools to deal with governments/european countries that spy on us, but we can't vote american governments out of office. The EU can apply pressure to denmark to stop collaborating with the NSA, but can't realistically pressure the US.
- benou 5y agoI guess you refer to what happened in Denmark? If so, your summary sounds wrong to me. US leveraging Denmark spying infra to spy on other EU states would be more accurate. I am not saying the Danes were not aware of the risks when they gave the key of the kingdom to the NSA, but still. Edit: spelling
- chernobogdan 5y agoEven if new laws don't pass and the data is not shared with the US, what is stopping NSA from farming your data in some other EU country that is willing to cooperate?
- Dah00n 5y agoDid you mean Europe? Because the laws will likely be the same for all of the EU. If you meant another country in the EU who will break the law for the NSA that would not be easy to stop. Maybe the NSA can ask Russia. That's part of Europe too!
- jonathanstrange 5y agoDanish intelligence allowing the NSA to use one of their facilities? I wouldn't say the US was not involved in this one...
- drstewart 5y agoAnd? That changes that European governments are illegally spying on Europeans... how?
- jonathanstrange 5y agoYour argument was a tu quoque fallacy anyway, so there is no need to discuss this further. You merely chose the wrong example to backup your fallacy, but you could have chosen the UK GCHQ instead. It doesn't change the gist of your "argument" anyway.
- nimish 5y agoThe whole point of US spy agencies _is_ to spy on non-Americans...
- asdff 5y agoIt would be bad intelligence to not spy on Americans considering how easily we are bought by other interests. The soviets had moles in every branch of federal government, and governments like china and russia no doubt still do.
- EdTsft 5y agoSo all the more reason not to send data to the US to not make it easier for them
- robert_foss 5y agoI don't trust the US to not abuse the data. Laws or no laws.