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This article makes the most sense. Occam’s Razor. TLDR: hypersonic drones. If it truly was E.T. they would be much faster and could easily evade basic radar te

This article makes the most sense. Occam’s Razor. TLDR: hypersonic drones. If it truly was E.T. they would be much faster and could easily evade basic radar technology from the early 1900s.

whywhywhywhy 5y ago
> and could easily evade basic radar technology from the early 1900s. Only if they needed to. Wasn’t there a story with the SR-71 that it could show up on some radar and have missiles launched against it but the evasive move for that was to just accelerate because it was faster than the missiles.
- CyanLite4 5y ago
  So are you suggesting E.T. has faster-than-light vehicles that can travel across the galaxy, breaking all known laws of physics in the process, and has intentionally avoided public contact, but still can’t dodge plain ol’ radio waves with radar? There’s gotta be an XKCD comic somewhere that has an alien engineer telling his managers that the FTL engines work fine but they should probably do more testing on the radio cloaking device...
JulianMorrison 5y ago
Hypersonic things are hot, and they go in straight lines, or else they have big engines and obvious control surfaces. A hypersonic thing that has no engine and no control surfaces is basically a thrown rock and the navy is perfectly capable of recognizing it as such. Absolutely nothing human that is hypersonic can do that from a dead stop hover without a really unsubtle plume of rocket exhaust.
- SideburnsOfDoom 5y ago
  > Absolutely nothing human that is hypersonic can do that from a dead stop hover without a really unsubtle plume of rocket exhaust. Or they're just small close objects moving much less violently. Don't discount the "bug on the lens" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMiKyfd6hA0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMiKyfd6hA0
- natch 5y ago
  Hover to hypersonic was a visual trick of the system losing lock. Also the people who said it was hovering: 1. Were at what like 20,000 feet? Until one of them flew down toward it and it disappeared… almost like his sonic boom caused it to disintegrate and melt into thin air, hmm. I mean what does that… could it be… ice? 2. Had zero experience seeing anything like this. Zero. 3. Also said it was moving with no discernible trajectory. 4. Said it looked like when you dropped your cell phone in the kitchen and it bounces around while falling. (Sounds more and more to me like this white, cold object was a falling slab of ice from an icy object that fell from space. Tumbling and flitting as it fell.) 5. Did not have the presence of mind… I mean, come on… to turn on their helmet cameras. Sure there may have been adrenaline in the picture but you don’t get to say the high level of training gives them credibility while also seeing that their training did not adequately kick in here. 6. (one of them) described himself as “the class clown.” 7. (the class clown) was best buddies (quote: he was at my wedding) with one of the people who work on the FLIR software which means that their buddy could be in a position to have some fun. 8. Stated that it seemed from the spot of whitecaps below them that there might be some object just under the water… almost as though some other ice slabs had, just prior, landed in the water after descending from outer space on a ballistic trajectory that was seen on radar. And a slab of falling ice is 1) not hot and 2) does not fall in a straight line. So I like the falling slab of ice theory. The conclusion that it was hypersonic came from pilots with no experience with this sort of thing and from a video of a system losing lock on an object that it was tracking. When that happens, the object can rapidly flit off screen making it appear, to the prepared mind (meaning a mind that wants to see UFOs) that is is suddenly going fast. >the navy is perfectly capable Bless their hearts, but these are people who apparently are: - incapable of releasing the raw radar data as actual data - incapable of using cell phone cameras while on board a ship, even at the highest levels where rules against cell phones could be overridden, and - incapable of mounting so much as a single working dashcam on their ship in the year 2020.
  - gadf 5y ago
    Dudette if you're going to spend such time on an answer, at least look at the evidence closely. Ice???? They were seeing and tracking levitating and maneuvering swarms of ice tic tacs for month visually and on radar. Are you sure? This is nuts. 3 is false. It clearly went nose toward him, then started matching his spiral down with a spiral up. 1 is false. It didn't disintegrate at ocean surface, it vanished after spiraling up toward him and jamming radar. Then reappeared later at the designated rendezvous point. Maybe it is made of ice. But that's smart, intelligence, possibly alien ice with advanced propulsion. So you didn't really prove anything with the ridiculous ice claim. Please do better. I accept that the FLIR locks jumps might contribute to perceived movement. Fair enough. But USS Omaha tracking these things vectoring on radar is not an artefact. - incapable of using cell phone cameras while on board a ship, even at the highest levels where rules against cell phones could be overridden, and This is false. There are videos released from Navy aviators recorded using cell phones. I agree with you that quality of video is pathetic. But it's good enough I suppose to bring us all here today to argue about it which is pretty sad I guess
Taylor_OD 5y ago
Wait wait wait... The simplest answer is a super advanced drone exists and is being tested?

This article makes the most sense. Occam’s Razor. TLDR: hypersonic drones. If it truly was E.T. they would be much faster and could easily evade basic radar technology from the early 1900s.

whywhywhywhy 5y ago

> and could easily evade basic radar technology from the early 1900s. Only if they needed to. Wasn’t there a story with the SR-71 that it could show up on some radar and have missiles launched against it but the evasive move for that was to just accelerate because it was faster than the missiles.

CyanLite4 5y ago
So are you suggesting E.T. has faster-than-light vehicles that can travel across the galaxy, breaking all known laws of physics in the process, and has intentionally avoided public contact, but still can’t dodge plain ol’ radio waves with radar? There’s gotta be an XKCD comic somewhere that has an alien engineer telling his managers that the FTL engines work fine but they should probably do more testing on the radio cloaking device...

JulianMorrison 5y ago

Hypersonic things are hot, and they go in straight lines, or else they have big engines and obvious control surfaces. A hypersonic thing that has no engine and no control surfaces is basically a thrown rock and the navy is perfectly capable of recognizing it as such. Absolutely nothing human that is hypersonic can do that from a dead stop hover without a really unsubtle plume of rocket exhaust.

SideburnsOfDoom 5y ago
> Absolutely nothing human that is hypersonic can do that from a dead stop hover without a really unsubtle plume of rocket exhaust. Or they're just small close objects moving much less violently. Don't discount the "bug on the lens" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMiKyfd6hA0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMiKyfd6hA0
natch 5y ago
Hover to hypersonic was a visual trick of the system losing lock. Also the people who said it was hovering: 1. Were at what like 20,000 feet? Until one of them flew down toward it and it disappeared… almost like his sonic boom caused it to disintegrate and melt into thin air, hmm. I mean what does that… could it be… ice? 2. Had zero experience seeing anything like this. Zero. 3. Also said it was moving with no discernible trajectory. 4. Said it looked like when you dropped your cell phone in the kitchen and it bounces around while falling. (Sounds more and more to me like this white, cold object was a falling slab of ice from an icy object that fell from space. Tumbling and flitting as it fell.) 5. Did not have the presence of mind… I mean, come on… to turn on their helmet cameras. Sure there may have been adrenaline in the picture but you don’t get to say the high level of training gives them credibility while also seeing that their training did not adequately kick in here. 6. (one of them) described himself as “the class clown.” 7. (the class clown) was best buddies (quote: he was at my wedding) with one of the people who work on the FLIR software which means that their buddy could be in a position to have some fun. 8. Stated that it seemed from the spot of whitecaps below them that there might be some object just under the water… almost as though some other ice slabs had, just prior, landed in the water after descending from outer space on a ballistic trajectory that was seen on radar. And a slab of falling ice is 1) not hot and 2) does not fall in a straight line. So I like the falling slab of ice theory. The conclusion that it was hypersonic came from pilots with no experience with this sort of thing and from a video of a system losing lock on an object that it was tracking. When that happens, the object can rapidly flit off screen making it appear, to the prepared mind (meaning a mind that wants to see UFOs) that is is suddenly going fast. >the navy is perfectly capable Bless their hearts, but these are people who apparently are: - incapable of releasing the raw radar data as actual data - incapable of using cell phone cameras while on board a ship, even at the highest levels where rules against cell phones could be overridden, and - incapable of mounting so much as a single working dashcam on their ship in the year 2020.
- gadf 5y ago
  Dudette if you're going to spend such time on an answer, at least look at the evidence closely. Ice???? They were seeing and tracking levitating and maneuvering swarms of ice tic tacs for month visually and on radar. Are you sure? This is nuts. 3 is false. It clearly went nose toward him, then started matching his spiral down with a spiral up. 1 is false. It didn't disintegrate at ocean surface, it vanished after spiraling up toward him and jamming radar. Then reappeared later at the designated rendezvous point. Maybe it is made of ice. But that's smart, intelligence, possibly alien ice with advanced propulsion. So you didn't really prove anything with the ridiculous ice claim. Please do better. I accept that the FLIR locks jumps might contribute to perceived movement. Fair enough. But USS Omaha tracking these things vectoring on radar is not an artefact. - incapable of using cell phone cameras while on board a ship, even at the highest levels where rules against cell phones could be overridden, and This is false. There are videos released from Navy aviators recorded using cell phones. I agree with you that quality of video is pathetic. But it's good enough I suppose to bring us all here today to argue about it which is pretty sad I guess

Taylor_OD 5y ago

Wait wait wait... The simplest answer is a super advanced drone exists and is being tested?