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Unless pentagon is engaged in a disinformation campaign, the data made available this year make this debunking article very data-poor. Even Obama came on recor

Unless pentagon is engaged in a disinformation campaign, the data made available this year make this debunking article very data-poor. Even Obama came on record in an interview saying there are real videos, which show unexplainable movement and trajectories [1]. Of course Obama could have been misinformed, they could have been unable to better analyze the images. 1 - https://wgntv.com/news/barack-obama-talks-about-ufos-again-on-late-night-television/ https://wgntv.com/news/barack-obama-talks-about-ufos-again-o...

CyanLite4 5y ago
The videos are real. But, just because we can’t explain it doesn’t mean it’s outer space aliens. Any sufficiently advanced technology looks like magic (or outer space alien technology).
- JulianMorrison 5y ago
  The military is bending over backwards not to favor the outer space aliens hypothesis. It's "unexplained aerial phenomena". Not knowing what it is makes it interesting enough.
- SideburnsOfDoom 5y ago
  Sometimes a bug on the lens also looks like magic.
  - sumedh 5y ago
    How does that bug show up on the radars of two ships?
    - SideburnsOfDoom 5y ago
      Operator error https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27354181 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27354181
draw_down 5y ago
Ha, indeed, why would the Pentagon ever engage in disinformation?
jasonwatkinspdx 5y ago
The videos have been explained: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Le7Fqbsrrm8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Le7Fqbsrrm8 The pentagon released them because they were getting sick of FOIA requests from the mob of people the To The Stars folks have been rallying. GAO is currently reviewing the contracts granted to those folks as well.
- nchi3 5y ago
  That video only explains the video footage if you assume everyone who were part of that operation are lying. There were plenty of people who saw it on their radars, and at least one of them was a very highly ranked military.
  - jasonwatkinspdx 5y ago
    The radar issue is discussed in the video. What he says is entirely accurate. Despite how capable these radars are, they don't prevent the operator doing the equivalent of asking the wrong question. Eyewitness testimony, even from experts, is notoriously unreliable. However everything in the testimonies so far is consistent with misunderstanding parallax.
    - nchie 5y ago
      His radar explanation for FLIR doesn't really hold well if you take their stories into account though. There's a limit to how far away it could have been since they're saying they saw it near sea level below where they were. He also doesn't explain why the jet engines of said plane didn't show up as a different color on the IR camera. Eyewitness testimonies are not very reliable, no, but unless they're lying, there was definitely something unexplained going on there. It's possible there's an explanation which covers all of it, but Mick West's doesn't. Not to mention that he's a game developer and not an aerospace engineer. I really doubt he has any experience using the systems that he's explaining. I would love to see that video "peer-reviewed" by someone who has the credentials to talk about those things.
- zionic 5y ago
pp19dd 5y ago
For what it's worth, we at least know the videos are official: https://www.navair.navy.mil/foia/documents https://www.navair.navy.mil/foia/documents

CyanLite4 5y ago

The videos are real. But, just because we can’t explain it doesn’t mean it’s outer space aliens. Any sufficiently advanced technology looks like magic (or outer space alien technology).

JulianMorrison 5y ago
The military is bending over backwards not to favor the outer space aliens hypothesis. It's "unexplained aerial phenomena". Not knowing what it is makes it interesting enough.
SideburnsOfDoom 5y ago
Sometimes a bug on the lens also looks like magic.
- sumedh 5y ago
  How does that bug show up on the radars of two ships?
  - SideburnsOfDoom 5y ago
    Operator error https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27354181 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27354181

draw_down 5y ago

Ha, indeed, why would the Pentagon ever engage in disinformation?

jasonwatkinspdx 5y ago

The videos have been explained: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Le7Fqbsrrm8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Le7Fqbsrrm8 The pentagon released them because they were getting sick of FOIA requests from the mob of people the To The Stars folks have been rallying. GAO is currently reviewing the contracts granted to those folks as well.

nchi3 5y ago
That video only explains the video footage if you assume everyone who were part of that operation are lying. There were plenty of people who saw it on their radars, and at least one of them was a very highly ranked military.
- jasonwatkinspdx 5y ago
  The radar issue is discussed in the video. What he says is entirely accurate. Despite how capable these radars are, they don't prevent the operator doing the equivalent of asking the wrong question. Eyewitness testimony, even from experts, is notoriously unreliable. However everything in the testimonies so far is consistent with misunderstanding parallax.
  - nchie 5y ago
    His radar explanation for FLIR doesn't really hold well if you take their stories into account though. There's a limit to how far away it could have been since they're saying they saw it near sea level below where they were. He also doesn't explain why the jet engines of said plane didn't show up as a different color on the IR camera. Eyewitness testimonies are not very reliable, no, but unless they're lying, there was definitely something unexplained going on there. It's possible there's an explanation which covers all of it, but Mick West's doesn't. Not to mention that he's a game developer and not an aerospace engineer. I really doubt he has any experience using the systems that he's explaining. I would love to see that video "peer-reviewed" by someone who has the credentials to talk about those things.
zionic 5y ago

pp19dd 5y ago

For what it's worth, we at least know the videos are official: https://www.navair.navy.mil/foia/documents https://www.navair.navy.mil/foia/documents