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UFO are cool, they don't need to be from aliens to be cool. New weather phenomena? So cool! Strange illusion? Still cool! Technical prowess from a foreign go

UFO are cool, they don't need to be from aliens to be cool. New weather phenomena? So cool! Strange illusion? Still cool! Technical prowess from a foreign gov? Super cool!

zinekeller 5y ago
> Technical prowess from a foreign gov? Super cool! ... and depending on your viewpoint, super scary!
- JulianMorrison 5y ago
  I think some of the people behind the current "disclosure" are definitely pushing that angle. Russians have flying saucers! Fund us plz & thank.
  - mywittyname 5y ago
    They could also be the ones behind the developments. So not only can you scare the population into securing more funding, but they serve as an implicit threat to other governments: if these things can evade an F35-A, what hope does a MiG have? Plus, it's a good sales tactic.
  - gmadsen 5y ago
    To be clear, the pentagon for the last 70 years has kept a tight lip on any UFO information, and is only now creating a report after forced compliance. Even the stuff Harry Reid did a while back was fought against by the pentagon. Their position seems to be, anything we don't know that is in our airspace is a threat, and none of it is the public's business
    - JulianMorrison 5y ago
      The TTSA disclosures of videos were snuck out without going through proper channels, if not exactly fully unofficial. And they did get groused at for that. But there was a point, I think in late 2019, when they made a very unforced admission that the videos were real. it would have been much more normal and typical of their previous behaviour to just stick to "we can neither confirm nor deny". And that, in itself, is interesting.
dec0dedab0de 5y ago
could also be technical prowess from a private company or part of our government that is so secret it doesn't want to tell the military what it's doing, so it can be classified. And that would also be cool I've met a few people that really believe in aliens, and they are insufferable. It's like trying to talk to a young earth christian about dinosaurs. In general, I like when people question the official story, but not when they have their own answers to their questions. I have a feeling that this article is in response to that crowd. Though I can't read it because nytimes and all.
throwaway743 5y ago
Luis Elizondo, former head of the Pentagon's Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program, has publicly stated that they're 99% sure that the 5-10% of the crafts they are not able to identify are not technologies from foreign governments. He's also mentioned that the Pentagon is aware that Russian and Chinese governments are also in the same position and have been working to figure it out. These craft pull 500-800Gs and have been measured to be going 13000-20000mph+, so it's highly unlikely that they're made by humans, unless we've figured out a way to not turn into goo at that force, and use materials that could withstand that force as well. Whatever these things are, they're not weather phenomena, nor illusions, especially when they've been visually identified by countless navy and air force pilots, and picked up/measured by military radar, satellite systems, and other instruments. Pretty sure the military would have easily ruled out weather phenomena/illusions given their budget and capabilities.
- kwertyoowiyop 5y ago
  From Wikipedia: “In the 2021 New Yorker article, reporter Gideon Lewis-Kraus writes that after talking with Elizondo, it was difficult to tell what AATIP had accomplished, and when pressed, Elizondo "invokes his security oath like a catchphrase". When in 2019 Elizondo was interviewed by Tucker Carlson, Elizondo stated that the government had fragments of a UFO, "then quickly invoked his security oath".[4] Colavito writes that Elizondo "still speaks of demon cabals, otherworldly beings, and UFOs operating beyond human perception — just not on 60 Minutes", and characterizes Elizondo's claims as "bad science and dangerous as government policy, the kind of magical thinking that leads to lunacy and disaster".[30]”
  - krashidov 5y ago
    which wikipedia article?
  - gadf 5y ago
    it's kind of dodgy if you can point to one flawed human and say, "see i found some dirt" and use that to convince yourself that everything you can somehow tenuously connect to that human must be false. radical simplification of reality. i understand the motivation, but i don't think it pass muster. "breathe a sigh of relief, people, the US government today, can announce, that after decades of so-called unexplained sightings, radar data, navy witnesses, civilian encounters worldwide numbering in the millions, we have finally been able to come to a conclusive and final answer that will explain once and for all the previously mysterious phenomena known as UFOs. Here it is, folks: Luis Elizondo has been proven to be a crank. Now all of us can rest in the surety that UFOs must therefore be false, and no further study needs to be done about any of it. Thank you." it's like a "omg i can't take this truth" fantasy to think this kind of stuff. Just be a little bit open, if it scares you, just ignore it...but pretending it's not real....closes yourself off to reality.

UFO are cool, they don't need to be from aliens to be cool. New weather phenomena? So cool! Strange illusion? Still cool! Technical prowess from a foreign gov? Super cool!

zinekeller 5y ago

> Technical prowess from a foreign gov? Super cool! ... and depending on your viewpoint, super scary!

JulianMorrison 5y ago
I think some of the people behind the current "disclosure" are definitely pushing that angle. Russians have flying saucers! Fund us plz & thank.
- mywittyname 5y ago
  They could also be the ones behind the developments. So not only can you scare the population into securing more funding, but they serve as an implicit threat to other governments: if these things can evade an F35-A, what hope does a MiG have? Plus, it's a good sales tactic.
- gmadsen 5y ago
  To be clear, the pentagon for the last 70 years has kept a tight lip on any UFO information, and is only now creating a report after forced compliance. Even the stuff Harry Reid did a while back was fought against by the pentagon. Their position seems to be, anything we don't know that is in our airspace is a threat, and none of it is the public's business
  - JulianMorrison 5y ago
    The TTSA disclosures of videos were snuck out without going through proper channels, if not exactly fully unofficial. And they did get groused at for that. But there was a point, I think in late 2019, when they made a very unforced admission that the videos were real. it would have been much more normal and typical of their previous behaviour to just stick to "we can neither confirm nor deny". And that, in itself, is interesting.

dec0dedab0de 5y ago

could also be technical prowess from a private company or part of our government that is so secret it doesn't want to tell the military what it's doing, so it can be classified. And that would also be cool I've met a few people that really believe in aliens, and they are insufferable. It's like trying to talk to a young earth christian about dinosaurs. In general, I like when people question the official story, but not when they have their own answers to their questions. I have a feeling that this article is in response to that crowd. Though I can't read it because nytimes and all.

throwaway743 5y ago

Luis Elizondo, former head of the Pentagon's Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program, has publicly stated that they're 99% sure that the 5-10% of the crafts they are not able to identify are not technologies from foreign governments. He's also mentioned that the Pentagon is aware that Russian and Chinese governments are also in the same position and have been working to figure it out. These craft pull 500-800Gs and have been measured to be going 13000-20000mph+, so it's highly unlikely that they're made by humans, unless we've figured out a way to not turn into goo at that force, and use materials that could withstand that force as well. Whatever these things are, they're not weather phenomena, nor illusions, especially when they've been visually identified by countless navy and air force pilots, and picked up/measured by military radar, satellite systems, and other instruments. Pretty sure the military would have easily ruled out weather phenomena/illusions given their budget and capabilities.

kwertyoowiyop 5y ago
From Wikipedia: “In the 2021 New Yorker article, reporter Gideon Lewis-Kraus writes that after talking with Elizondo, it was difficult to tell what AATIP had accomplished, and when pressed, Elizondo "invokes his security oath like a catchphrase". When in 2019 Elizondo was interviewed by Tucker Carlson, Elizondo stated that the government had fragments of a UFO, "then quickly invoked his security oath".[4] Colavito writes that Elizondo "still speaks of demon cabals, otherworldly beings, and UFOs operating beyond human perception — just not on 60 Minutes", and characterizes Elizondo's claims as "bad science and dangerous as government policy, the kind of magical thinking that leads to lunacy and disaster".[30]”
- krashidov 5y ago
  which wikipedia article?
- gadf 5y ago
  it's kind of dodgy if you can point to one flawed human and say, "see i found some dirt" and use that to convince yourself that everything you can somehow tenuously connect to that human must be false. radical simplification of reality. i understand the motivation, but i don't think it pass muster. "breathe a sigh of relief, people, the US government today, can announce, that after decades of so-called unexplained sightings, radar data, navy witnesses, civilian encounters worldwide numbering in the millions, we have finally been able to come to a conclusive and final answer that will explain once and for all the previously mysterious phenomena known as UFOs. Here it is, folks: Luis Elizondo has been proven to be a crank. Now all of us can rest in the surety that UFOs must therefore be false, and no further study needs to be done about any of it. Thank you." it's like a "omg i can't take this truth" fantasy to think this kind of stuff. Just be a little bit open, if it scares you, just ignore it...but pretending it's not real....closes yourself off to reality.