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It's not for payment. It's an SSO service with a strong proof of identity tied to your official id and a vault to store your official documents. France already

It's not for payment. It's an SSO service with a strong proof of identity tied to your official id and a vault to store your official documents. France already has something very similar but which can only be used with the state. It works really well.

heinrichhartman 5y ago
Blogged about the idea of a "digital passport" as SSO service in 2016 -- https://www.heinrichhartmann.com/archive/a-digital-passport-for-digital-citizens https://www.heinrichhartmann.com/archive/a-digital-passport-...
logifail 5y ago
> an SSO service with a strong proof of identity What about those of us who prefer proof of identity to be only as strong as necessary and therefore as loose as possible? I don't want my mobile devices to have a strong proof of identity associated with them. Ever.
- unionpivo 5y ago
  You don't have to use it. It's for convenience when you do.
  - elric 5y ago
    You don't have to use it ... yet. Give it a couple of years, and you won't be able to buy a beer without it. Sure, sure, downvote. But it's no longer possible to buy beer from vending machines without inserting your ID card as proof of age.
    - unionpivo 5y ago
      Well I have never seen vending machine that had beer or other alcohol, so I'll take your word for it. But that one small downside. It's not like you can't get beer anywhere. I know I can order beer from our grocery stores online, and as far as I know they don't perform any age checks since I pay with cash on delivery most of the time. But I am in my 40s and look that way so I maybe they just don't bother asking.
PoignardAzur 5y ago
Heh. Reminds me of a public debate a few years ago about forcing porn platforms to securely verify the age of their users. I think a government member said something like "We could use FranceConnect (the government SSO service) for authentication in these cases". Needless to say, people were not enthused.

heinrichhartman 5y ago

Blogged about the idea of a "digital passport" as SSO service in 2016 -- https://www.heinrichhartmann.com/archive/a-digital-passport-for-digital-citizens https://www.heinrichhartmann.com/archive/a-digital-passport-...

logifail 5y ago

> an SSO service with a strong proof of identity What about those of us who prefer proof of identity to be only as strong as necessary and therefore as loose as possible? I don't want my mobile devices to have a strong proof of identity associated with them. Ever.

unionpivo 5y ago
You don't have to use it. It's for convenience when you do.
- elric 5y ago
  You don't have to use it ... yet. Give it a couple of years, and you won't be able to buy a beer without it. Sure, sure, downvote. But it's no longer possible to buy beer from vending machines without inserting your ID card as proof of age.
  - unionpivo 5y ago
    Well I have never seen vending machine that had beer or other alcohol, so I'll take your word for it. But that one small downside. It's not like you can't get beer anywhere. I know I can order beer from our grocery stores online, and as far as I know they don't perform any age checks since I pay with cash on delivery most of the time. But I am in my 40s and look that way so I maybe they just don't bother asking.

PoignardAzur 5y ago

Heh. Reminds me of a public debate a few years ago about forcing porn platforms to securely verify the age of their users. I think a government member said something like "We could use FranceConnect (the government SSO service) for authentication in these cases". Needless to say, people were not enthused.