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> The US has seen the most spectacular rise from poverty to wealth ever seen in history. This is not true, historians collectively agree that Korea has seen th

by mrpopo 5y ago

> The US has seen the most spectacular rise from poverty to wealth ever seen in history. This is not true, historians collectively agree that Korea has seen the most spectacular rise. Also, your comment was spectacularly off-topic and anachronistic. A country being a manufacturing powerhouse during WW2 doesn't mean that immigrants have a fair chance today. First they need to be able to enter, then they need to be able to succeed. That's the topic.

WalterBright 5y ago
> historians collectively agree I'm not buying that. S. Korea's population is 51 million. The US elevated far more. Besides, SK's economy is free market, not communism. > First they need to be able to enter, 100,000 per month are flooding over the border. > then they need to be able to succeed. Evidently they believe they can, or they wouldn't come. As for around here in Seattle, there are immigrants everywhere. I jog through the park most days, and I hear languages from all over the world. They have their stereos blasting away, and large families with kids running around, and parked cars line the street. The smells coming from their cooking are delightful, I wish they'd offer me a bite :-) Looks to me like they're doing very well. I have no idea how you can conclude that the American door to immigration is shut, or that they are doing badly.
- gverrilla 5y ago
  Ask them for a bite. There's a collective spirit to food in a lot of cultures - particularly the poor ones.
- mrpopo 5y ago
  > S. Korea's population is 51 million. The US elevated far more. You can't talk about countries with relative sizes and use absolute numbers. If you want to use this fallacy, I can tell you that the US is dwarfed by the whole of Asia. Anyway, the original argument was that the USA isn't a country where everyone has a fair chance, but you absolutely want to turn it into anti-communist, pro-free-market propaganda.

by mrpopo 5y ago

WalterBright 5y ago

> historians collectively agree I'm not buying that. S. Korea's population is 51 million. The US elevated far more. Besides, SK's economy is free market, not communism. > First they need to be able to enter, 100,000 per month are flooding over the border. > then they need to be able to succeed. Evidently they believe they can, or they wouldn't come. As for around here in Seattle, there are immigrants everywhere. I jog through the park most days, and I hear languages from all over the world. They have their stereos blasting away, and large families with kids running around, and parked cars line the street. The smells coming from their cooking are delightful, I wish they'd offer me a bite :-) Looks to me like they're doing very well. I have no idea how you can conclude that the American door to immigration is shut, or that they are doing badly.

gverrilla 5y ago
Ask them for a bite. There's a collective spirit to food in a lot of cultures - particularly the poor ones.
mrpopo 5y ago
> S. Korea's population is 51 million. The US elevated far more. You can't talk about countries with relative sizes and use absolute numbers. If you want to use this fallacy, I can tell you that the US is dwarfed by the whole of Asia. Anyway, the original argument was that the USA isn't a country where everyone has a fair chance, but you absolutely want to turn it into anti-communist, pro-free-market propaganda.