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I believe they were sarcastic about NATO not being an invading force by mentioning one of the more obvious invasions.

by lucian1900 5y ago

AnimalMuppet 5y ago
Ah, I see. You could also add Kosovo, if you chose. Still, my point stands: Is NATO going to invade Russia, using that favorable geography? No. Absolutely not. Zero chance. No NATO country has the stomach for a war of mass casualties, and nobody is stupid enough to think that an invasion of Russia would be anything else. (The good news is that, after Afghanistan, I don't think that Russia has the stomach for a war of mass casualties, either, and Putin knows it. So he plays games with "little green men" and the Wagner Group, but I don't think he can go much further than that. China concerns me more - I fear that at the moment, maybe they do have the stomach for it, and the temptation to try because they doubt that anyone else has the will to fight enough to give China that kind of casualties.)
- lucian1900 5y ago
  Why would China want war? Isn’t it the US that constantly invades and occupies countries, not the other way around? It’s the US I fear, it already has bases all over my country.
- pydry 5y ago
  Zero chance right now, yep. Russia is way too powerful militarily. If Lukashenko is overthrown and Belarus flips to the West, though, NATO will start to threaten Kaliningrad next. Maybe the Baltic Republican Party will get another truckload of cash out of nowhere and start giving interviews on CNN. The whole point of the ratchet games in Eastern Europe is to make it incrementally easier until it becomes a more realistic plan. NATO probably won't have a problem edging further towards Moscow for 70 more years and Moscow will try to stymie them every step of the way. Once it becomes realistic and winnable there's a good chance they won't need to fight. Russia would likely flip to becoming a client state of the US of its own accord. That is likely the NATO endgame - a series of puppets like Yeltsin in power for good with the labor/natural resource markets opened up for exploitation to American megacorporations, no significant industrial base of its own and a very limited military capacity.
  - AnimalMuppet 5y ago
    Yeah... um... remind me who, occupies half of Georgia? Who took over part of Ukraine? It wasn't NATO. How soon do you think Russia is going to leave the Ukraine? Ever? Are they going to take more if they get the chance? Hard to prove, but it seems likely. So really, who's playing the ratchet game?
    - pydry 5y ago
      The fall of Shervadnadze, the Rose Revolution and pro-NATO Sakaashvili's rise to power was precipitated by west. That all happened before the Russian/Georgian war. It followed a similar pattern to many other post Soviet Republics as well as a lot of Latin America. Russia will leave Ukraine alone if there is somebody friendly to them in power. If not then probably not.

I believe they were sarcastic about NATO not being an invading force by mentioning one of the more obvious invasions.

Ah, I see. You could also add Kosovo, if you chose. Still, my point stands: Is NATO going to invade Russia, using that favorable geography? No. Absolutely not. Zero chance. No NATO country has the stomach for a war of mass casualties, and nobody is stupid enough to think that an invasion of Russia would be anything else. (The good news is that, after Afghanistan, I don't think that Russia has the stomach for a war of mass casualties, either, and Putin knows it. So he plays games with "little green men" and the Wagner Group, but I don't think he can go much further than that. China concerns me more - I fear that at the moment, maybe they do have the stomach for it, and the temptation to try because they doubt that anyone else has the will to fight enough to give China that kind of casualties.)

lucian1900 5y ago
Why would China want war? Isn’t it the US that constantly invades and occupies countries, not the other way around? It’s the US I fear, it already has bases all over my country.
pydry 5y ago
Zero chance right now, yep. Russia is way too powerful militarily. If Lukashenko is overthrown and Belarus flips to the West, though, NATO will start to threaten Kaliningrad next. Maybe the Baltic Republican Party will get another truckload of cash out of nowhere and start giving interviews on CNN. The whole point of the ratchet games in Eastern Europe is to make it incrementally easier until it becomes a more realistic plan. NATO probably won't have a problem edging further towards Moscow for 70 more years and Moscow will try to stymie them every step of the way. Once it becomes realistic and winnable there's a good chance they won't need to fight. Russia would likely flip to becoming a client state of the US of its own accord. That is likely the NATO endgame - a series of puppets like Yeltsin in power for good with the labor/natural resource markets opened up for exploitation to American megacorporations, no significant industrial base of its own and a very limited military capacity.
- AnimalMuppet 5y ago
  Yeah... um... remind me who, occupies half of Georgia? Who took over part of Ukraine? It wasn't NATO. How soon do you think Russia is going to leave the Ukraine? Ever? Are they going to take more if they get the chance? Hard to prove, but it seems likely. So really, who's playing the ratchet game?
  - pydry 5y ago
    The fall of Shervadnadze, the Rose Revolution and pro-NATO Sakaashvili's rise to power was precipitated by west. That all happened before the Russian/Georgian war. It followed a similar pattern to many other post Soviet Republics as well as a lot of Latin America. Russia will leave Ukraine alone if there is somebody friendly to them in power. If not then probably not.