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For one thing, first-person accounts, which are notoriously inaccurate to begin with, don’t provide enough information for an empirical investigation. Scientist
by throwaway29303 5y ago
For one thing, first-person accounts, which are notoriously inaccurate to begin with, don’t provide enough information for an empirical investigation. Scientists can’t accurately gauge distances or velocity from a pilot’s testimony: “It looked close” or “It was moving really fast” is too vague. What a scientist needs are precise measurements from multiple viewpoints provided by devices that register various wavelengths (visual, infrared, radar). That kind of data might tell us if an object’s motion required engines or materials that we Earthlings don’t possess.
It's true that first-person accounts are sometimes inaccurate, but in the Nimitz case, we have, I believe, eight pilots in total who actually saw the object. The first incursion by David Fravor and his co-pilot Alex Dietrich and a second plane; and the second incursion - by other pilots which I don't know the names of - on which there's brief footage of the object[0]. Not only there's first-person accounts there's also devices which registered these objects. Nimitz caught these objects, in fact, they not only caught several of them, the incursions were made in order to check out what was going on.
I wish these "devices can be faulty," (knowing that people actually looked at the object in loco) "people can be bad first-person accounts" memes actually died once and for all in this particular case. It feels like people don't actually go out and do their due diligence. I feel people either aren't listening or paying attention. I'm okay with being skeptical - and I am one! - but lets be reasonable here. Lets listen to what people said, what the devices actually read, what the footage actually shows and what the story actually tells. Lets not just dismiss for the sake of it. Sometimes saying "hey I don't know what that is" is probably the most reasonable conclusion.
And no I'm not saying it's aliens, I'm just saying we don't know what those are. However, I do, like most people, know what those aren't.
I recommend watching:
The Nimitz Encounters (2019)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-e9NoKp8EnE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-e9NoKp8EnE
Joe Rogan Experience #1361 - Cmdr. David Fravor & Jeremy Corbell (2019)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eco2s3-0zsQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eco2s3-0zsQ
David Fravor: UFOs, Aliens, Fighter Jets, and Aerospace Engineering (2020)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aB8zcAttP1E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aB8zcAttP1E
Navy pilots recall “unsettling” 2004 UAP sighting (two weeks ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygB4EZ7ggig https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygB4EZ7ggig
There's certainly more out there, this isn't an exhaustive list.
[0] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWLZgnmRDs4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWLZgnmRDs4
- alexfromapex 5y agoI believe the radar detected the objects reached speeds around 46000 miles per hour and based on rough estimation would need more power than ten times all of the United States nuclear power to achieve those speeds at an estimated weight of 1000kg. Page 3 bottom paragraph, source: https://res.mdpi.com/d_attachment/proceedings/proceedings-33-00026/article_deploy/proceedings-33-00026.pdf https://res.mdpi.com/d_attachment/proceedings/proceedings-33... Considering the fastest known human aircraft currently holds speeds ~7000 mph this is either insanely advanced technology, equipment malfunction, or aliens.
- egfx 5y agoWhere did you hear 46,000mph? I believe 14,000mph was mentioned in the 60 minutes episode. It’s amazing to think that even at 46,000 mph that it is still ~3x slower then a meteor entering the earth’s atmosphere.
- helloworld11 5y agoComet. Meteors normally fly at speeds of about 40,000 to 80,000 mph. Comets tend to be the much faster moving celestial objects. Though comets can also travel faster or slower, and tend to move more slowly while in deep space, speeding up as they approach the sun.
- helloworld11 5y agoAlso, the PDF he links to does indeed mention 46,000 mph