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Electron apps definitely have performance issues and I do not defend them. I just also want to make sure we're recognizing that apps like MS Teams are doing a l

Electron apps definitely have performance issues and I do not defend them. I just also want to make sure we're recognizing that apps like MS Teams are doing a lot more than MSN Messenger did back then. Whether you use/need those features or not, the apps are much more capable. Our computers have gotten an order of magnitude faster for sure, but the workloads they're tackling have not stayed flat.

andrepd 5y ago
> I just also want to make sure we're recognizing that apps like MS Teams are doing a lot more than MSN Messenger did back then. Can you elaborate? MSN Messenger did text chat, voice chat, video chat. I don't see what more features MS teams has that explain the order-of-magnitude increase in footprint.
- userbinator 5y ago
  It's more than one OOM, closer to two. From what I remember, MSMSGS used few dozen MB at most, since typical machines of the time had between 64 and 256MB of RAM. Meanwhile, I've seen Teams go over 4GB simply being idle, and others have reported much worse.
- gmueckl 5y ago
  Teams does have quite a few extra features: multiplatform, easy meeting recording, media embedded in text chat (quite useful for my current work), shared editing of Word or Excel documents within calls, sharing of Powerpoint presentation controls within calls, per-channel wiki (a bit anemic, but it's there), pretty extensive Sharepoint integration, crazy extensibility... The downside is of course that you pay for all of that even if you don't use it.
  - tremon 5y ago
    Pay, how? I thought Teams came for free with every Office365 license? Do you mean paying in CPU cycles?
    - gmueckl 5y ago
      More in terms of memory usage. Both are system resources, so yes.
  - anthk 5y ago
    >Teams does have quite a few extra features: multiplatform, easy meeting recording, media embedded in text chat (quite useful for my current work), shared So like Kopete in 2005?

andrepd 5y ago

> I just also want to make sure we're recognizing that apps like MS Teams are doing a lot more than MSN Messenger did back then. Can you elaborate? MSN Messenger did text chat, voice chat, video chat. I don't see what more features MS teams has that explain the order-of-magnitude increase in footprint.

userbinator 5y ago
It's more than one OOM, closer to two. From what I remember, MSMSGS used few dozen MB at most, since typical machines of the time had between 64 and 256MB of RAM. Meanwhile, I've seen Teams go over 4GB simply being idle, and others have reported much worse.
gmueckl 5y ago
Teams does have quite a few extra features: multiplatform, easy meeting recording, media embedded in text chat (quite useful for my current work), shared editing of Word or Excel documents within calls, sharing of Powerpoint presentation controls within calls, per-channel wiki (a bit anemic, but it's there), pretty extensive Sharepoint integration, crazy extensibility... The downside is of course that you pay for all of that even if you don't use it.
- tremon 5y ago
  Pay, how? I thought Teams came for free with every Office365 license? Do you mean paying in CPU cycles?
  - gmueckl 5y ago
    More in terms of memory usage. Both are system resources, so yes.
- anthk 5y ago
  >Teams does have quite a few extra features: multiplatform, easy meeting recording, media embedded in text chat (quite useful for my current work), shared So like Kopete in 2005?