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> I am currently doing everything in my power Right, because you have to convince people of what you want. If it was absolutely no brainer obvious and everyone

by shados 5y ago

> I am currently doing everything in my power Right, because you have to convince people of what you want. If it was absolutely no brainer obvious and everyone felt the same way as you, you wouldn't have to do that. The election would come up, people would vote and it would be over. You also knew there was an HOA when you got into it. That's my point. People in posts like these make it sound like NO ONE wants this. If it was true, it would be gone pretty quick. Turns out people are generally either happy with the status quo, or at least don't hate it enough to change it without some convincing. Btw, I don't know about your bylaws, but usually you don't have to be on the HOA board to change the rules. If you get the votes you can get them changed. Get a lawyer to write a new set of bylaws as per your state's requirements, get people to vote on them, register them, don't even need to change the board to gut it.

hpoe 5y ago
I've found it's not a matter of "no one wants it" it is a matter of there are only so many hours in a day and most people are focusing on family, or career, or schooling or something else. This is a terrible argument because under this argument everyone really is "okay with the massive warrentless government wiretapping going on because they aren't voting against it." People are "okay with the Chinese genocide of the Uighers because they aren't doing anything to stop it." It's not that they want it that way it's that most people are in the business of living their lives and don't want to constantly have to dedicate their lives to vicious neighborhood politics and so they tolerate it for now because it is a higher barrier to do something about it.
- shados 5y ago
  Well, first, people are born into a country. Most people aren't born owning a house (and if they are, I don't particularly feel bad for them). Second, most HOAs are actual democracies, not representative democracies like the country. It's probably a bad idea to become part of an association you don't want to deal with. To continue with the awful government analogies, in an HOA, you're not just a citizen. You're a governor of your state (or part of the senate or whatever you want to use: you are the representative leader of your "state"). So yeah, you're gonna have to be involved. Unless you don't care anyway.

by shados 5y ago

hpoe 5y ago

I've found it's not a matter of "no one wants it" it is a matter of there are only so many hours in a day and most people are focusing on family, or career, or schooling or something else. This is a terrible argument because under this argument everyone really is "okay with the massive warrentless government wiretapping going on because they aren't voting against it." People are "okay with the Chinese genocide of the Uighers because they aren't doing anything to stop it." It's not that they want it that way it's that most people are in the business of living their lives and don't want to constantly have to dedicate their lives to vicious neighborhood politics and so they tolerate it for now because it is a higher barrier to do something about it.

shados 5y ago
Well, first, people are born into a country. Most people aren't born owning a house (and if they are, I don't particularly feel bad for them). Second, most HOAs are actual democracies, not representative democracies like the country. It's probably a bad idea to become part of an association you don't want to deal with. To continue with the awful government analogies, in an HOA, you're not just a citizen. You're a governor of your state (or part of the senate or whatever you want to use: you are the representative leader of your "state"). So yeah, you're gonna have to be involved. Unless you don't care anyway.