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Could you explain why the HOA was powerless to stop the bird shitter problem? Was it powerless in a legal way? Was it powerless in a members did not care enough

by pas 5y ago

Could you explain why the HOA was powerless to stop the bird shitter problem? Was it powerless in a legal way? Was it powerless in a members did not care enough way?

salawat 5y ago
I think that'd be an interesting feat, moreso in the "don't screw with people crows like" sort of way. They are crazy smart birds. They'd familiarize themselves with people that'd give the old man a hard time, and would either avoid those people, or execute Avian justice. They'd also communicate the same to the rest of the murder. Pidgeons, I can't really abide. Crows are cool though.
mynegation 5y ago
Probably there was no article in HOA rules that was applicable.
- 01100011 5y ago
  Yes, this. HOAs only have the power they are given.
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- lelanthran 5y ago
  > Probably there was no article in HOA rules that was applicable. So? Nothing to stop them adding it in.
  - igetspam 5y ago
    You ever tried to get a quorum of disinterested people? Most of the HOAs I've had to suffer through were created for the benefit of the developer and the people who wanted to dump them couldn't get enough people together to even have a vote for or against. Newer HOAs are not on your side.
  - Nursie 5y ago
    Surely you’d need unanimous consent to add a new restriction in? Otherwise this feels seriously off - just being able to add new rules that people must adhere to whether they agree or not.
    - chrisseaton 5y ago
      > Otherwise this feels seriously off - just being able to add new rules that people must adhere to whether they agree or not. Have you heard of 'democracy'? When your government writes a new law by majority do you have to adhere to it whether you agree or not?
      - Nursie 5y ago
        Democracy is not a contract with a homeowners organisation. HOAs are not government.
        chrisseaton 5y ago
        > Democracy is not a contract with a homeowners organisation. It's the same mechanism. The only difference is you agree to be bound by the rules of the HOA - contract rather than common law. The HOA is a direct democracy. It can vote to change the rules - you can give your input as a vote, but you're bound by the majority. It's the same system. > HOAs are not government. They're a form of local government.
        igetspam 5y ago
        This. They have the strength of law up to the point where they conflict with local laws and they are rarely optional. I moved to a property whose restrictions expired 20 years ago and only one home owner wants an HOA. The rest of us just ignore his letters. The land is unrestricted, we have mineral rightS and when the neighbor's cows got out and pooped in my lawn, we laughed about.
        Nursie 5y ago
        > The HOA is a direct democracy. It can vote to change the rules - you can give your input as a vote, but you're bound by the majority. It's the same system. Then that sounds terrible.
  - dabbledash 5y ago
    Hopefully the HOA can’t just leverage unlimited power by voting to give itself that power.

by pas 5y ago

Could you explain why the HOA was powerless to stop the bird shitter problem? Was it powerless in a legal way? Was it powerless in a members did not care enough way?

salawat 5y ago

I think that'd be an interesting feat, moreso in the "don't screw with people crows like" sort of way. They are crazy smart birds. They'd familiarize themselves with people that'd give the old man a hard time, and would either avoid those people, or execute Avian justice. They'd also communicate the same to the rest of the murder. Pidgeons, I can't really abide. Crows are cool though.

mynegation 5y ago

Probably there was no article in HOA rules that was applicable.

01100011 5y ago
Yes, this. HOAs only have the power they are given.
- deleted 5y ago
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lelanthran 5y ago
> Probably there was no article in HOA rules that was applicable. So? Nothing to stop them adding it in.
- igetspam 5y ago
  You ever tried to get a quorum of disinterested people? Most of the HOAs I've had to suffer through were created for the benefit of the developer and the people who wanted to dump them couldn't get enough people together to even have a vote for or against. Newer HOAs are not on your side.
- Nursie 5y ago
  Surely you’d need unanimous consent to add a new restriction in? Otherwise this feels seriously off - just being able to add new rules that people must adhere to whether they agree or not.
  - chrisseaton 5y ago
    > Otherwise this feels seriously off - just being able to add new rules that people must adhere to whether they agree or not. Have you heard of 'democracy'? When your government writes a new law by majority do you have to adhere to it whether you agree or not?
    - Nursie 5y ago
      Democracy is not a contract with a homeowners organisation. HOAs are not government.
      - chrisseaton 5y ago
        > Democracy is not a contract with a homeowners organisation. It's the same mechanism. The only difference is you agree to be bound by the rules of the HOA - contract rather than common law. The HOA is a direct democracy. It can vote to change the rules - you can give your input as a vote, but you're bound by the majority. It's the same system. > HOAs are not government. They're a form of local government.
        igetspam 5y ago
        This. They have the strength of law up to the point where they conflict with local laws and they are rarely optional. I moved to a property whose restrictions expired 20 years ago and only one home owner wants an HOA. The rest of us just ignore his letters. The land is unrestricted, we have mineral rightS and when the neighbor's cows got out and pooped in my lawn, we laughed about.
        Nursie 5y ago
        > The HOA is a direct democracy. It can vote to change the rules - you can give your input as a vote, but you're bound by the majority. It's the same system. Then that sounds terrible.
- dabbledash 5y ago
  Hopefully the HOA can’t just leverage unlimited power by voting to give itself that power.