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I’d love to see some national crackdown on HOA/CCR rules. In particular you should never be stopped from growing food on your own property. If covid taught us a

I’d love to see some national crackdown on HOA/CCR rules. In particular you should never be stopped from growing food on your own property. If covid taught us anything it’s that the food chain is fragile. The people who run these organizations would literally rather die than see a few corn stocks drying in the backyard of a neighbor.

fortran77 5y ago
I hate HOAs, but if all parties involved agreed to this "contract", the Government shouldn't tear it up and throw it away. Similarly, while I am for solar panels and flying the American flag, I don't like politicians who pass laws forcing HOAs to allow both: https://www.flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes/2011/720.304#:~:text=(2)(a)%20Any%20homeowner,Air%20Force%2C%20Marine%20Corps%2C%20or https://www.flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes/2011/720.304#:~:text=... and https://www.solarunitedneighbors.org/florida/learn-the-issues-in-florida/homeowners-associations-and-solar-access-in-florida/#:~:text=Florida%20Statute%20163.04%20forbids%20any,performance%20suffers%20as%20a%20result https://www.solarunitedneighbors.org/florida/learn-the-issue.... I feel if I was smart/savvy enough to buy a home where I'm allowed to fly a flag or have a solar panel, the people who agreed not to should have to suffer with the devalued property they chose to create.
- josephcsible 5y ago
  > if all parties involved agreed to this "contract" Imagine that your grandfather bought a house in an HOA, then he died and you inherited it. You're now bound by a "contract" that you never signed or agreed to. Actual contracts can't bind next of kin, only those who actually signed them.
  - londons_explore 5y ago
    I guess you bound yourself to that contract by accepting your inheritance from your grandfather. Various other contracts can be passed on this way too. You always had the option to say no after all, and not take the house.
    - josephcsible 5y ago
      What sorts of other contracts can bind heirs?
      - londons_explore 5y ago
        Any kind of transferrable contract that has 'positive value'. For example "Bob agrees to lend $5k to Fred, and to ensure Fred is given flowers every day for 10 years. Fred agrees to repay Bob $10k in 10 years time". If bob dies, bobs heir can take on bobs side of that contract of delivering flowers, and getting the 10k end-of-contract payment from Fred.
        josephcsible 5y ago
        That seems less powerful to me. Another user summed up why better than I could: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27350024 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27350024
- londons_explore 5y ago
  > I hate HOAs, but if all parties involved agreed to this "contract Most legally binding agreements require all parties to know and understand what they are singing up to. If the HOA can make new rules anytime about anything, can you really claim that the house owner knew what they were signing up to when they bought the house?
  - ed25519FUUU 5y ago
    Not only that, but CCR rules are intentionally written in an extremely vague way. Even placing a small pebble on your property requires approval according to the rules. (“Anything placed anywhere on the property or its surroundings”) Selective enforcement is a great evil. You’re fine until you make someone on the committee mad, and they have an unusually high degree of power or you.

fortran77 5y ago

I hate HOAs, but if all parties involved agreed to this "contract", the Government shouldn't tear it up and throw it away. Similarly, while I am for solar panels and flying the American flag, I don't like politicians who pass laws forcing HOAs to allow both: https://www.flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes/2011/720.304#:~:text=(2)(a)%20Any%20homeowner,Air%20Force%2C%20Marine%20Corps%2C%20or https://www.flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes/2011/720.304#:~:text=... and https://www.solarunitedneighbors.org/florida/learn-the-issues-in-florida/homeowners-associations-and-solar-access-in-florida/#:~:text=Florida%20Statute%20163.04%20forbids%20any,performance%20suffers%20as%20a%20result https://www.solarunitedneighbors.org/florida/learn-the-issue.... I feel if I was smart/savvy enough to buy a home where I'm allowed to fly a flag or have a solar panel, the people who agreed not to should have to suffer with the devalued property they chose to create.

josephcsible 5y ago
> if all parties involved agreed to this "contract" Imagine that your grandfather bought a house in an HOA, then he died and you inherited it. You're now bound by a "contract" that you never signed or agreed to. Actual contracts can't bind next of kin, only those who actually signed them.
- londons_explore 5y ago
  I guess you bound yourself to that contract by accepting your inheritance from your grandfather. Various other contracts can be passed on this way too. You always had the option to say no after all, and not take the house.
  - josephcsible 5y ago
    What sorts of other contracts can bind heirs?
    - londons_explore 5y ago
      Any kind of transferrable contract that has 'positive value'. For example "Bob agrees to lend $5k to Fred, and to ensure Fred is given flowers every day for 10 years. Fred agrees to repay Bob $10k in 10 years time". If bob dies, bobs heir can take on bobs side of that contract of delivering flowers, and getting the 10k end-of-contract payment from Fred.
      - josephcsible 5y ago
        That seems less powerful to me. Another user summed up why better than I could: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27350024 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27350024
londons_explore 5y ago
> I hate HOAs, but if all parties involved agreed to this "contract Most legally binding agreements require all parties to know and understand what they are singing up to. If the HOA can make new rules anytime about anything, can you really claim that the house owner knew what they were signing up to when they bought the house?
- ed25519FUUU 5y ago
  Not only that, but CCR rules are intentionally written in an extremely vague way. Even placing a small pebble on your property requires approval according to the rules. (“Anything placed anywhere on the property or its surroundings”) Selective enforcement is a great evil. You’re fine until you make someone on the committee mad, and they have an unusually high degree of power or you.